This is painful to watch.
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I switched mains to Blood DK and tanked all of the Heroic cataclysm raids from late BoT/BWD/TotFW all the way through Firelands and Dragonsoul (the last time I did pve seriously in this game at all). Got Alliance second H Madness on my realm.
Why? Because the class design was really good, and the bossfights were exceedingly fun for tanks. (And, as a side note, I had dual spec so I could go Frost DPS for bossfights that were solo tank, such as Lord Rhyolith and Baelgar).
The way to add more tanks to the pool is to make tank class design fun. Dual spec is merely a bandaid, but a bandaid is better than nothing.
Might be worth mentioning that I main tank and sub-main healer in FFXIV because again, tank class design is fun and rewarding, and the fights are awesome to tank. Funny how that works.
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I think heâs saying whatâs painful is the lack of reading comprehension on these forums.
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Thereâs arguably a greater lack of writing comprehensibility ⌠people simply donât state what they mean to say - itâs a propaganda thread.
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Well yes, thereâs a ton of fear mongering being done by people who just want to say #nochanges.
And you say that without a hint of irony ⌠you make me laugh.
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/shrug Iâm not the one blatantly making up things to support my position.
If you donât like dual spec just because #nochanges, just say so.
Well no - thatâs not my position, thatâs one you made up and pretend is my position in order to fit your brazen propaganda campaign.
Anyway- youâve already stated that youâre not open to discussion and that all you want is bumps for your petition so we have nothing to discuss - by your own admission.
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And yet you and others have been asked multiple times to explain an actual in game problem. The only one that anyone has come up with is that it might impact raids, which is easily solved with a cool down.
When that is brought up you instantly revert to #nochanges.
All granted - your refusal to read, or rather your intentional pretence that no response was given, is on you not me. Again, your words are propaganda and not discussion - youâre not interested in a response and youâve ignored every single response given. Thatâs me done for another week or two - donât want to feed your silly campaign.
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Ah yes refusing to respond to the entire quote, let me help you.
Except raid min max impact isnât the only concern of possible downside of dual spec.
But you keep ignoring that.
Which Iâve asked people to explain and no one can do so.
You refusing to read it doesnât mean it hasnât been done.
Theyâve been read and responded to.
The reason you consistently have to fall back on #nochanges is because of those responses.
I donât think you know what a propaganda campaign is and are using extreme key phrases to make your opinion seem more significant and intelligent.
Hereâs discussion for you: Dual spec should be added to the game because itâs pointless to not have it. Wherein something like paying money to change specs made sense at a certain point (AKA a gold sink), thereâs so much gold in the economy of TBC now, anyone with a functional brain can make an asinine amount of gold, making the spec changing fee insignificant.
People actively change specs in-game as it is. It wouldnât make any sort of difference to add it to the game except it would be much more convenient and make the game feel less restrictive, but you guys insist that itâs bad for the game without offering any sort of valid explanation as to why it would be.
This is what people usually say when they canât make an argument for themselves or add any legitimacy to the argument they support.
I donât think youâve been following this thread ⌠canât blame you either.
Iâve happily discussed the merits of dual spec with various people on the forum. One person even convinced me there should be an option for an arena spec. I still think that.
However, the people I am responding to here have many times admitted that they are not interested in discussion or opinion, but rather they only want bumps so the devs see their âpetitionâ and give them what they demand.
At this point I donât even care if dual spec gets added or not - but I will on occasion point out those people who are obviously not here for discussion but rather want to force their preference on everyone else. Itâs propaganda because there is only one side to their argument and no room at all for compromise. They want petition bumps and not discussion. That is what tilts me here. Itâs not a discussion, itâs a demand, and when people give valid objections they pretend they havenât.
And no - I wonât be repeating my own attempts at valid objections for the umpteenth time to people I know want to abuse that and make propaganda out of it. Unlike me you havenât been asked to give a single reason against - after having spent hours researching and providing reasons against. Itâs a ploy. They even admit that they are not open to discussion.
Dual spec could impact raids and adding a cool down would address that is a discussion. It acknowledges a point that has been raised and proposed a solution that solves that problem while also being less than perfect for people who want dual spec.
You just seem to not like that.
You keep saying Iâm #nochanges however I want an arena specific spec option. You know this. I have discussed this many times, but you basically lie about my position to suit your own agenda - we are not discussing, you are manipulating the forums.
You have an agenda and no room for discussion or compromise in it - this is not even a pretence. Youâve stated it before - itâs a petition and you want bumps. Stamping your foot till you get what you want. Pathetic.
And an arena specific spec does not address all the reasons why people want dual spec.
Where as adding a cool down does address the issues people have raised with dual spec.