Dual spec please

HvH are very relevant to your argument that if it wasn’t in TBC originally it shouldn’t be in TBC Classic.

Not sure why that confuses you.

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If youre right, where are dual specs?

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Being discussed by blizzard as we speak :slight_smile:

Good to know that Blizz confides in you about their inner workings. So when do they get here?

Well if you are such an expert on what blizzard is or is not discussing, I’m sure you know :slight_smile:

That they haven’t been added yet doesn’t prove it will never be added. There were a few months of posts about dying realms before free transfers were added. For all that time some idiot could have posted to the people asking for it, If you’re right where are the free transfers. I have little doubt some brain dead fool did post that in those threads. I’m sure there was some fool babbling about blizzard would never add free transfers.

As I was posting in the multiboxing threads I was told over and over and over again that multiboxing has been in the game since it started and would never be changed. Those in favor of multiboxing posted link after link of some original devs that no longer work for blizzard that stated unequivocally that multiboxing was not against the tos and that would not be changed. Until it was

In every thread asking for a change there’s some incoherent idiot telling us it won’t ever be changed. Until sometimes it is.

I don’t care about people who make predictions. I didn’t care when I was told multiboxing would never change. I didn’t care when they said blizzard wouldn’t do anything to help with low pop realms. I still kept posting. I don’t make predictions, I make my arguments and let it up to blizzard to decide.

Except we have hard facts showing it was an active decision to not have dual spec back then, it wasn’t a lack of developers time.

bluetracker.gg/wow/topic/us-en/98646792-we-need-free-respecs-or-spec-swapping/

It’s a fact they CHOSE to not add it in tbc as a design intentions. They gave a clear NO for tbc dual spec.

It went against the intentions of the design of tbc. You can’t have a faithful recreation of a game (which is what tbcc is advertised as) if you go directly against known design intentions of the origional game. Which wotlk version dual spec does.

Dual spec could be modified to better fit the design intentions of tbc, but we know for a fact wotlk dual spec goes directly against the intentional design that tbc had.

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I dont know that planet is going to explode tomorrow but theoretically it could. This is as profound as your logic gets. Says nothing, does nothing.

Try to understand me instead. You’re trying to suggest you’re correct without the very thing that proves you to be correct - you cant have it both ways. If you were correct, it would be here. Or some kind of official acknowledgement of a future appearance. Not so much as a one off tweet saying they were looking into it as a team but make no promises etc etc.

Prove me wrong. When can we expect dual specs if you are right?

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Design decisions that changed during TBC. The decision to add dual spec was made during TBC based on what was happening in TBC. That it didn’t get implemented till wrath doesn’t mean it wasn’t decided on during TBC.

You can make the argument that coming out of vanilla dual spec didn’t seem necessary. But with all the changes in TBC that decision clearly changed. You have arena’s and pvp becoming more prominent, hybrid specs besides healing became much more viable, in general there were a lot of things in TBC that cried for dual spec that weren’t the case in vanilla but became painfully obvious in TBC.

When was it implemented? Not just dual spec, but all the design decision changes?

That’s right, wotlk.

If we are going to make a tbc version of dual spec, it has to respec tbc design intentions.

You’re comparing a tiny qol change in a video game to the planet exploding tomorrow. Now that is as stupid a distortion of logic as a person could make. You act like I should take your predictions and logic seriously when I can barely stop laughing at it.

That’s exactly what I was told in the multiboxing threads. It didn’t stop me from continuing to post in those threads. In the end blizzard made the exact change we were asking for. There was no announcement. Blizzard never said they were considering our arguments. There was no official acknowledgement of a future appearance. Out of the blue they banned input broadcasting software. Then without a word a few months later they banned input broadcasting hard ware also.

That’s usually how blizzard makes changes. Not a word until they announce the change. There were no blue posts acknowledging the problems with low pop realms. They never said they were looking in to it. Lots of people posted in those threads saying blizzard will never do anything because all they care about is the transfer money. Out of the blue, with no kind of official acknowledgement of a future appearance, blizzard added free transfers.

But again, I don’t care about this at all. I don’t make predictions. I don’t care about other people’s predictions. I make my arguments and let it up to blizzard to decide.

We’re not talking about your multiboxing threads where you were right that one time. Thats an entirely different discussion we dont need to have. We’re talking about the actual evidence that actually makes you correct. Im not taking your word for it, sorry.

If dual specs arent here when tell me then they will be. If youre as correct as you say you are you should be able to give me a pretty good estimate.

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Dual spec was originally a reactive change to changes done in TBC(arena, bringing hybrid specs beyond healing up to par, etc…), no reason it shouldn’t be in TBC Classic when the reasons it was added are from TBC.

Given that there’s a solution that largely solves why people want dual spec and can be done without impacting raiding, simply adding a cooldown, there’s no real reason not to add dual spec now.

I don’t make predictions. Neither should you. Neither of us have any inside information. I just happen to be intelligent enough to know that I have insufficient information to make a prediction and you’re not.

No one predicted the date and time the boost would be announced. No one predicted that blizzard would reduce the cost for cloning a character to Classic Era servers. No one predicted the date and time blizzard would add HvH bg’s. No one predicted the date and time blizzard would add free transfers. No one predicted the date and time blizzard would change the arena start points from 1500 to zero. Though I wouldn’t be surprised if you posted on all those threads that it never was going to happen

If the goal is to improve pvp participation I would rather see a pvp only second spec.

But if it’s dual spec with a CD the CD has to be long enough that people are not switching multiple times a day with it with no real worry about the CD.

Im not predicting anything. Im saying dual specs dont exist because they’re not in the game. Youre telling me its a forgone conclusion - you just cant tell me how, what, why or when - but youre 100% correct anyway. Its like theyre here already, in spirit. Just clench with all your believer might.

The facts are not on your side.

Dual spec wasn’t just for pvp participation though, it also added quite a lot for hybrids.

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I don’t make predictions. I’ve told you that several times. I never claimed adding dual spec was a forgone conclusion. I never claim anything is a forgone conclusion. I neither believe or disbelieve dual spec will be added. As I’ve said many times, I just make my arguments and put into blizzards hands to make their decision. I have no idea what that decision will be. So again I have to ask are you a liar or do you have some profound reading comprehension problem?

Yeah nice cop out. I got all the evidence I just cant tell you when Ill have access to it.

You can just tell me you dont know because all the evidence suggests you dont know. You dont know as much about dual specs as you think if you cant answer the most basic of questions that demonstrate the knowledge you claim to have on the subject.

You dont know anything.

I don’t have any evidence whether dual spec will or will not be added. I’ve never claimed to have any information or opinion on that. I have my opinions and arguments why it would help most players have more fun in the game and improve the game, and my opinions and arguments why it would not cause problems and harm the game. I try to make those opinions and arguments as clearly as possible and then put the decision into the hands of blizzard. Same as I did in the multiboxer threads. Same as I did in the threads about the problem of low pop realms.

No one posting here knows anything about the inner workings of blizzard’s decision making process. No one posting here has a good record at predicting what blizzard will do. Therefore I don’t make predictions and I don’t trust the predictions that anyone makes here.