Dual spec please

You didn’t claim on a good day when the dailies line up perfectly to be in the same area and rng works in your favor you can do 2-3 dailies in about 10 minutes. Shrimping is easy is the quickest fishing daily to do. While sometimes I catch the darter on my first cast sometimes it takes a dozen casts. Same with the baby crocolist. A video of me catching the baby crocolist in one cast isn’t the average time it takes me to catch it. It’s the best time. An average includes the days when my rng luck is really bad. An average isn’t just the days the dailies line up perfectly to be in the same area. It’s also the days when they are on opposite sides of the map.

What you likely did was make videos over several days doing the dailies. Many times you were considerably over 10 minutes. As soon as luck was in your favor and you were able to do one under 10 minutes you posted it as proof. There is no average of one number.

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I only took the video because you didn’t believe me when I just told you the times.

But hay, I proved you are just throwing slander and don’t know what you are talking about.

I personally think the felbloodone is the quickest if I’m also doing the fires over skettis because it’s right next to that daily.

But hay, to each there own.

Keep in mind I have over 450 fishing when I do the fishing daily unless it’s the shrimp one, then I don’t even apply a lure as the fishing level needed is already so low the lure doesn’t help.

Also you claimed this

We’re these not your words?

You claimed the cooking and fishing can’t be done in 10 minutes, let alone a 3rd.

Yet I did all 3 in under 8 minutes.

By your own words I achieved something that there was no way was doable.

10 characters

People not wanting to play the game because they didn’t want to play the game very much to begin with isn’t a design flaw that needs to be fixed.

It just means the game might not be fore them.

Retail might be more their style.

Or maybe vanilla classic would be more your style.

You wouldn’t have to worry about blizzard making any minor changes like dual spec. You’d have your static pure nostalgia no changes environment for all of time with no fears.

The current tbcc is something I enjoy, you are the one trying to get it changed into something I won’t enjoy.

Stop trying to turn a pie into a cake.

Blizzard has specifically said they are open to changes to TBC Classic.

They’re getting feedback on it.

And they have made changes. Doesn’t mean they need to make more.

Your acting like being open to changes means they are open to all and any changes.

You have used past changes to try and justify adding dual spec. That’s not how it works.

If you absolutely need dual spec, wait for tbc season of mastery or wrath.

You will get dual spec. Just not now with tbcc.

And just by a lucky coincidence the very first day you made the video all 3 were in the same area and required very little flying time.

The felblood is the quickest to fish as it usually only takes one cast. It takes longer to fly there then to fish it. While getting the shrimps takes longer than it takes to fly there. The quest giver is just south of the border with Zangarmarsh and the fishing spot in Zangarmarsh is just a little north of the border. But then you often decide that time spent in game doesn’t count as time spent playing the game depending on what you’re doing

They are open to the players discussing changes.

You don’t know what they will or will not do with dual spec anymore than I do.

So sure if wrath classic roles around and there’s no dual spec, we can say it was something that blizzard didn’t want for TBC Classic(Assuming they say nothing before). Until then the discussion is still open.

And no I have not used past changes to justify dual spec, I’ve used past changes to point out that your #nochanges stance is BS. Just like your it would change how I min max argument ended up being BS.

You realize there is a felblood fish able spot right next to the skettis daily right?

It’s the same direction and more of a preference because I can check for a shadow cloud as I do that one because they can sawn close to that spot.

Well you can discuss it all you want. But try having an actual discussion instead of trying to claim all opposition to your chosen change is just nochanges.

I haven’t? You have raised specific in game concerns, like it would be used in raids between pulls. Great problem solved, add a cool down and/or requirement to be in a city, Or even just lock out dual spec for 3 hours after zoning into a raid. An I don’t even agree with you that this is a problem, but sure it’s reasonable that this might change your raid experience.

Next?

Ok…not sure how this is common ground though.

I still don’t think dual spec is gonna get added, and I still don’t believe it’s in the cards.

Ziryus also doesn’t realize that somebody tried to start a dual spec movement on the CC forum already.

While battle squawking benefits from active blue discussion, guess which topic sunk through the pages with absolutely no blue response despite the OP of said thread being a dual spec stan :face_with_raised_eyebrow:

So your sole argument is that blizzard hasn’t responded yet?

No wonder you are so desperate to shut down the conversation.

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No my argument is they probably never will respond.

As someone stated earlier, they probably feel that the reasoning for why they won’t add it is quite crystal clear already, and coming out to say “No” will be just as effective as it was back then: pointless.

The good news is that sticking to authenticity means you get dual spec pretty soon when WOTLKC happens.

They certainly might not.

And if they don’t and we hit Wrath the topic will be dropped by me. If they respond and say no, the topic will be dropped by me.

Until then, I don’t care whether you think the topic should be discussed, it is open for discussion and something blizzard might consider.

You should try providing reasons beyond that’s just how it was if you want blizzard to consider your reasons against though.

I don’t see why I’m obligated to convince Blizzard of anything…?

Only person left to convince is honestly yourself, lol, and I’m quite confident at this point that nobody has that power.

You keep talking about dual spec as if it’s some inevitability and I have to present good reasoning to prevent it, but you simply don’t have access to that kind of leverage. In fact the situation at the very least illustrates that the expansion is perilously close to ending without Blizzard even acknowledging you, so this conversation is feeling more and more like you coping with neglect than anything else, and I feel for you, I really do. I’ve had things I’ve wanted never get commented on, it doesn’t feel good.

I’m only trying to help you understand why you’re getting ghosted.

My reason for not wanting dual spec is pretty much identical to the reason gave during original TBC. You have to stop interpreting that as “because Blizzard said so 15 years ago”, because that’s not what it means.

It means “because it negatively affects the impact of spec choice, and that should be important in TBC”.

I wish we could magic a discussion between you right now and the blue of back then because I’m sure your response to that blue would have been “it doesn’t negatively impact spec choice, just don’t use it if you don’t like it” blah blah blah, but you’re just missing the forest for the trees.

Why do you think Blizzard felt that way? Clearly on some level, as designers of the game, they felt that dual spec would harm the intended design of TBC. Why did they think that? Are you just saying they were mistaken?

Whether they were right or wrong, it’s inherently tied to the vision for what makes TBC what it is, and thus it is critical that it not be added because something cannot be TBC if it includes dual spec.

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You aren’t you can simply stand on #nochanges, and blizzard might do nothing.

But that risk is up to you :slight_smile: