Sorry, but saying you “made an argument” doesn’t magically convince me that your vague statements amount to that.
I’ve actually asked you a few times to clarify what you mean and so far you’ve done nothing but accuse me of disliking you. Whether or not I dislike you is irrelevant and I suspect you’re just saying it as a distraction from the fact that you don’t really know how to articulate whatever it is you want to say.
I articulated my position just fine with:
Your retort is simply that I’m pretentious.
Let’s be clear, I’ve not once made a value judgement about you or anyone else in this thread. Can you do likewise? If you don’t like my point, argue against my point. Calling me pretentious achieves absolutely nothing.
No you didn’t. You used big words that basically say as much:
“Dual spec will change the game. If you allow dual spec to be used in instances, this will make classes and spec irrelevant. Classes and specs are important.”
This isn’t an argument. This is a statement without any evidence supporting it other than your opinion that it’s true.
You understood them? Cool then no problem. Address them if you don’t agree with them.
I think you’re wording is a bit off too but I don’t think it’s worthwhile picking at them and insulting you for them.
This is way off topic as it is, who cares if you don’t like my word choice, if you disagree with the argument then counter the argument.
Also, pretentious is passing yourself off as something you’re not. I haven’t done that. This is me, a casual raider who speaks like this. I haven’t misrepresented or deceived anyone. The point I made originally relating to the thread stands and is my opinion. You’re welcome to argue against it but you’re not welcome to basically attack me personally for expressing my view.
So much of what passed for discussion on this forum is people basically insulting each other and begging for Devs to change the game to be more convenient. It’s pointless and childish.
Pulling four words out of a larger comment you’re quoting doesn’t mean the rest of the context has disappeared.
Your comparing one time purchased gold sinks to a repeatable gold sink.
On top of that your comparing it to a gold sink that can be finished easily.
600g is nothing in tbc.
For those that respec often 50g per respec can easily and quickly surpass the the cost of the 100g a boosted character bypasses for their mount + 60% riding speed. Heck, not having 100g by 58 from leveling normally to spend on that would be pathetic. The boost wasn’t the best thing to happen to tbc classic but it did have some good of helping people play with their friends. (Not saying it was all good, it wasnt) but your comparing the 100g the boost and mount remove from being a gold sink, to the 100+ respec costs at 50g per will remove from the game just from someone respecting twice a week.
That’s like saying the dollar is worthless because some other guy got a penny for free.
Your comparison to the gold the boost and store mount prevent from being a gold sink to the hundreds of thousands of gold the respec cost removes and saying that respec cost should be nerfed.
I don’t want any gold sink removed from the game because hyper inflation is already happening on many realms.
I’d do whatever crazy quest line they could dream up for this to be a reality. Make it cost 20k gold - I’d farm it.
Are you honestly suggesting that I should summarise my position by quoting everything I’ve said so far? Wow.
Make your position or say nothing. Quit just nitpicking at my wording. It’s boring and pointless.
Which eventually become a one-time purchase through a patch that the developers had intended for TBC anyway. This argument has already been made.
Nope. Just make sure you’re responding to my entire comment and not the first four words because your response makes it look like you didn’t read anything I said.
I’d enjoy having an off specc for sure. Would make farming a bit easier too. I either kill stuff really slow, or I brun through all my money really fast to try to swap to elemental (Which I have zero gear for lol) to try to farm for gold…
I’ll just take slowly lightning bolting my way through things I suppose, Dual specc would be awesome though.
Honestly one of the best features they’ve added in wow, besides transmog.
I have no interest in change specs on fly, why would my dps warrior would ever want to go from Arms to Protection? This won’t do crap cause not everyone wants to be tank for different reasons and not everyone is min max junkie that changes his build cause his guild wants him to
We want people to make their unique builds? Most are consider “meme” builds cause they are not op in said content and must play cookie cutter build from community.
What is that, artifact weapons and spec fantasy hurt you from playing multiple specs or roles in your class? Now you can change specs on fly and unprune abilities and wait, you want to main that spec and use talents that none meta cause it is “fun”, hOW DaRE yOu!!!
seriously we are repeating history by this point unless we make everyone drone and supposedly remove "new blizzard with “old” for perfect age of wow lmao
You’ll probably have to dismount first.
And having to channel and see your character lose their identity as they just become another paladin to try fit with meta or something like it
Okay, that’s a fair criticism.
Here is your comment in full and my response to it.
My argument is that if people can dual spec that will change how guilds (even casual guilds) compose their raids.
Fact: their are more buffs and raid functions that are specific to various specs in TBC than their were in WOTLK. There are more spec niches in raids for TBC than in WOTLK. More of those niches are shared across multiple classes and are baseline to classes in WOTLK. This is why Dual spec didn’t adversely effect class roles in Wrath and why I think it will in TBC.
Can I prove that people will change raid comps to suit? No, but pretty much that’s what guilds do whenever there’s changes that allow for it. It would be weird if that didn’t happen with Dual spec. If you can optimise you typically do.
The bigger point is that there is a clear risk here and the onus is on you as the person proposing change to prove that there is no real risk. It’s not on me to prove that there is.
They absolutely were much better. Not much of a change for my healer but a big change for my dps alts.
Yeah that argument doesn’t work here, because the entire basis of our argument is dependent on nobody having it, not everyone refusing to use it on an independent basis, in isolation.
Sure they were. You keep telling yourself that. Know what I remember? Dps’ers flooding the boards about having to wait an hour in dungeon finder and complaining endlessly? How do I remember? Because I reveled in it every second.
This would be so awesome
That’s a statement. That’s not an argument. An argument actually has evidence behind it. There’s nothing behind this statement other than your personal opinion.
Prove this is anything other than your personal opinion.
Haha! So your argument is, “I can’t prove this will happen. But it will happen.”
Well, here it is again. You make a statement without clarification and then give yourself permission not to prove anything. Must be nice being you, making any statement you please and then absolve yourself of any responsibility of proving it.
Is that how you think arguments work, then? You just make a statement and tell the other person, “This is true and I don’t have to prove it to you.”