Yeah because they made it an arcade game instead of an MMO, wrath stupified the game… why do you think gear score was a thing in wrath? Because how good an item was devolved down to Duuuuhhh is dah number bigger?
I will say though Huff while you and I agree on a lot of things, this plays to our advantage at times as well. It’s like the Nethara post from then that states they believed that spec choice matters and should matter. We can apply the same logic to her post as well. I personally feel neither side should be listened to by Blizzard and they need to stick to the book on the design of it and be done with it.
Was Dual Spec designed for TBC and it’s systems in place? No. Should it be added into a game where the system wasn’t designed for it? Also no.
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Oh I was roleplaying as del in that post
I haven’t made an exhaustive list, but most of the daylong and multi-day cooldowns are pretty clearly designed to limit gold income. When dual-spec was finally added (several months into Wrath) it had a 1,000G price tag. All of the evidence that exists suggests that these things were designed around gold.
I am real: I haven’t seen a single solid reason where I could say “okay, yeah, thats a good point.”. Not a single one!
Name those three reasons in short words, where no counter argument is around the corner outweighting it or is even more important. Name those 3 reasons where the majority would suffer from dual spec being implemented, that no benefit could at least equalize!
I know the difference and that is obviously not what they really want, but wanted in the past. There is a reason why such a system came with wrath, the decision made during tbc and there is still something like that in the game after all these years.
It was implemented for a reason and this reason is the same today!
Anyways: Another argument destroyed by yourself. You guys said they want it as a time and money sink, now you argue that is was made as a barriere preventing people from respeccing several times a day. When it was made as a gold sink, they would actually want something that is frequently used, the opposite intention of a barriere!
And at the same time you have yet to provide a single real point that says “Oh my God Blizzard hit that dual spec button right now!” See how this works? I can give you a very good reason, and I’ve stated it up above. It will be lengthy though.
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You are just a troll… you haven’t provided one valid argument towards implementing it early, and you certainly haven’t justified it as a need for the game. In fact if I were on the fence for this issue I’d be inclined to disagree with you purely based on the behavior you’ve exhibited through this thread and your inability to understand the issue from both sides. It is clear that you lack understanding of the game.
You’re real bad at this, you mean. There are only three reasons FOR dual-spec and none of them are very good.
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I want to be able to PvP and PvE without spending a lot of gold.
Too bad, git gud at earning gold, it’s not that hard. We did it back in the day.
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I want to be able to raid/dungeon as a tank/healer but still be able to complete quests and such in a timely fashion.
Again, not a compelling reason. completing dailies as a tank or healer might be slower but it’s still absolutely doable.
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It was added in Wrath
And they can add it in Wrath on the second go-round.
You can argue that the main reason not to isn’t very compelling but history suggests that Blizzard has, does, and will continue to disagree with you on this: Dual-spec was never a TBC feature and the number of people who want it early doesn’t raise it to the level of a necessary balance change the way Paladin seals were.
I mean, I can always be proven wrong, Blizzard could stun us all and kick it out on Tuesday but I’d bet money against it.
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yes please /signed
dont like dual spec? dont use it?
Not that I need your permission for anything, but I think I’ll continue to argue against it.
Every body always claims the changes they don’t want will never happen. All the multiboxers I argued with told me it’s been in the game since vanilla and is never going to change. When the exact change we were requesting on the threads happened they all disappeared. You can find posts on the threads asking for seal or drum changes being told it’s never going to happen. I could go on, chronoboon, boosts, store bought mount, all changes that were never going to happen. Right now people are claiming merc mode is never going to happen.
/shrug You can keep saying it’s never going to happen and I’ll keep asking for it to happen. We’ll see what actually does happen
So far the only reasons I’ve seen are convenience, not having to pay 50g, and it will according to the pro dual-spec people make there be more tanks and healers. I wouldn’t call this a million reasons or any of them really good reasons. They are pretty superficial
If you ask for 10 things and 1 of them gets implemented you can act like you are Nostradamus in predictions and that the other 9 will eventually come! It doesn’t have any actual impact on whether this particular change will happen.
This was also something that was decided much further down the road and more for technical reasons than it was for the sake of “Screw the multiboxers.” This is content that was never designed with a feature you’re asking for in mind, and as such shouldn’t even be an option on the table as it never was to begin with when BC was designed.
Just like how people that didn’t like the LFG tool just didn’t have to use it? This type of argument is really flawed as when they added the Dungeon Finder people stopped grouping organically and so you were forced by the lack of players to use the dungeon finder as well. While you could “not use your dual-spec” the fact that everyone would have access to it would make a gatekeeping scenario to people that were unwilling to have two raiding specs would be replaced in favor of those who did.
Arguments like these only work in a single-player enviornment and not in a multi-player one.
Want dual spec? Wait for wotlk.
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I don’t make predictions. That’s the game those against the changes play.
request it now.
I didn’t use dual spec on my hunter or mage. I used it first on my druid to add a resto spec for healing dungeons. Then my holy priest to better farm. I wasn’t forced to have two raiding specs on my priest. Lots of casual raiding guilds out there. If the hardcore min/max guilds tried to force people they could quit and join one of them. I don’t accept the save me from my mean guild leader because I don’t have the backbone to do it argument