And why do you think dual spec has anything to do with retail? There is no such a thing as dual spec ingame anymore.
It was implemented with wrath and I don’t know a single person, beside you, that was or is against it. Tell me one real reason why dual spec would be bad for the game. Just one real reason.
There is a difference if you expect any hybrid player would play suddenly spec tank/heal on top of dps or if you expect that basically nobody does.
If there wouldn’t be free respec on retail at all, they would cry because they would basically never find a tank. I can talk from experience, that i played in BFA every week at least one m+ as healer, when mainly playing dps - just because I got a lot faster invite this way.
Don’t you do it as well? Barely anyone doesn’t mean nobody. But hands down: a lot more people are in favor for it. Wrath was probably the most popular expansion and guess when dual spec came in and especially guess why they decide to implement such a system back then…?
Exactly and now ask why…
How about you show evidence for your claim before?
i said this earlier but seems everyone glossed over it, dual spec in itself didnt cause the problems people seem to think it did once it was a thing. It was dual spec in conjuncture with muti server lfg engine picking people across the entire server base. As long as we don’t have the LFG tool, dual spec isn’t the cancer it’s made out to be. If a guild expects you to run tank, just dont tank. you dont want to tank, if they cant respect that, find another guild. Maintaining 2 sets of gear as said in here, is because you allow yourself to fall in to that rabbit hole. if you dont want to tank, or if you want to tank and dont want to dps, then just dont do it. But, dont classify everyone’s gameplay decisions based on your own decisions. I want dual spec because I like to play different roles, always have and always will. But at the same time, I’m not going to be dishing out 100g every time I want to go back and forth between specs. Yes, i could “charge” for tanking services, but I want to be able to tank because I WANT to tank, and I want to be able to play my dps class because i WANT to play it. nobody is going to force me to play one roll or another, I’ll do it at my own discretion.
There is no such thing as Azerite Gear in Retail either, is that no longer a Retail thing?
Sure.
This is a pretty strong reason, because it is saying that the intentional design of TBC is that respecs shouldn’t be easy. Dual spec goes against that design.
That came after the acquisition of Vivendi by Activision… and so did a lot of other changes.
Ah yes, the same reason we have… #Retail.
Note: I’m not saying Retail is bad. It’s different though. Perhaps they should have a ClassicForRetailians that caters to those who want QoL, and perhaps they should have another track that doesn’t.
It’s not. You can free respec anytime on retail nowadays, you don’t switch beside two specs. The feature also was implemented in Wrath. They just haven’t removed it until today (for a reason) but it got a lot more wishy washy over the years.
I am not asking for the retail variant, I am asking for the dual spec system that was implemented with wrath - the expansion with the most players wow ever had.
That is not a reason, that is just a decision from 15 years ago that got reverted just 2 (-3) years later because they felt the decision was a bad one. So again: Give me a real reason…
For me and probably most others, retail means the latest expansion: Shadowlands.
You could also just say “I don’t have a real reason.”
Wasn’t the lua system a completely different thing in classic 16 years ago? They already made changes to the original game, why not bring in another that even most private tbc servers implemented, because a lot of people asked for.
I seriously believe, that it wouldn’t harm anyone, but help out a lot of people. Feel free to give me an example in what situation it would be really bad for the game and would be caused by the system alone.
Sure, if you don’t want the feature, they could also reduce the cost by a lot. Would also be fine for me, even when I prefer dual spec.
For Classic? Yes. However, what we had in TBC Retail is the updated LUA and Macro system with secure frames. So the argument falls flat. We are using what we used in TBC.
However, that change was not because of “We want to make the game better”. It was part of their security and efforts to prevent bots and cheating. Classic actually faltered, because while it used the new system, they also didn’t include a focus unit frame so the vanilla macros couldn’t work and the TBC macros couldn’t work, and it left things in a half-baked state.
Again however, that’s not a change to the meta, its a security change necessary for using the modern client. Dual Spec is a meta change, plain and simple, and that’s where it fails the sniff test of ‘play the old game’.
For me, it was some point in the future, when I started playing WoW Classic. I wasn’t quite sure when, but it wasn’t Vanilla…
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Until I experienced transfers. Then my opinion changed.
I’ve seen some people say that The Cataclysm is the start of Retail due to the changes to Azeroth, the reworking of the old world, and changes to the old raids. I can see that, and I don’t disagree if someone says that’s their definition of Retail.
However, for me, I think I had thought that LFD was the original beginning of Retail for me, but now the implementation of transfers is the beginning of Retail for me.
We don’t have to agree on what Retail means, but we need to have an understanding of what each of us mean when we use the term in order to have a conversation about it.
I have actual linked citations to proof, and you choose to ignore it. There’s nothing I can do from this point on. We have no discussion. We have no basis for a discussion.
Indeed, yours. Because TBC classic isn’t the TBC from 14 years ago, as less as classic was the original game from 16 years ago. You made that point, missing that the game already changed compared to back then.
Again, they could also reduce the respec cost to 50 silver instead of gold. Would do the same thing without a meta change. Plain and simple.
Should be your standard answer.
And the past have already shown that the decision that was made 15 years ago was a bad one that got reverted 12,5 years ago.
