Sure, let me rephrase. Its funny because I’m not sure id want the druid who basically doesn’t do any actual pvp and is terrible at it when they do do it, on my team either.
Hmm.
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Ok I’m sorry for insulting your pvp skills without having played with you before.
We good?
Mortal enemies forever?
Also, futzing 10 games for a few weeks with other non-PvPers and not doing that great =| being bad at PvP lol.
I’m not gonna go the route of citing my retail experience (from vanilla-legion) cus that’s really cliche and not my style, but I really don’t have anything to prove to you, my dude.
We can just call this one a draw, it goes nowhere but toxic lol
How did I miss this little exchange. I’m actually laughing so hard right now
This really just is the anti-dual spec crowd, in a nutshell.
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I called out people for brazen lies. Stuff like removing “don’t” and other reconstitutions of claims I made in my sentences in a quote to claim I am saying the opposite of what I was saying. If you want to accept complete lies as valid debate go for it.
At any rate you’re own bias is clear as day.
I don’t even fully oppose change or dual spec - you think I do because you believe the lies. Lies peddled by a specific four people. Not everyone on the pro dual spec spectrum - just a few on the campaign trail. At any rate the intellectual dishonesty and blatant lying is why I essentially quit the topic now for the most part.
If you spent a little time reading the context of my replies that you quoted (arrow up if you like) you will see that I caught the poster, Kanshu, out in a complete lie. He quoted me twice from the same comment and removed half of it in the second quote to make it look like two different but contradictory comments. That’s not even a mistake, that’s intentional and deliberate overt deception.
There’s four specific people who basically engage in full character assassination if anyone triggers actual discussion that threatens their little campaign. Any attempts at compromise or give and take discussion they derail in this manner. I don’t apologise for calling them out.
In fact you are also misquoting me so badly here I reckon you’re probably Kanshu’s alt or you know him. There’s no way you can read what he did and try to defend it. Does it trigger me when people deliberately fabricate words and reconstruct sentences and claim they’re mine in order to discredit me - yeah it does. It would anyone. That sort of tactic is disgusting. You should be ashamed of yourself for defending it.
Hmmm yeah, I bet you do.
I mean, you dont need multiple accounts to post on alts, if thats what you’re accusing me of. We’ve already been over how this is one your guys’ standard fallback tactics when you have nothing of merit to actually say.
Like i said at the time its
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Yeah man i’m sure the guy with the 70 level raiding toon on the US server also has this max geared 2100 rated mage on an oceanic server randomly as well.
Yeah man, defs know the guy even though i have literally never rolled a toon on a US server since classic came out
You realize how dumb you make yourself look with these kinds of statements, yeah, or no?
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You’re defending a liar - someone who demonstrably and purposefully lied, maliciously - with an aim to misrepresent and malign someone. Not my word vs his - he took a phrase and doctored it significantly. And revelled in the result. That makes you pretty dodgy in my book. We have no more to say to each other.
You accept this behaviour why? Because he’s campaigning for you to get a buff in a game - lame and weak.
Do you actually think productive conversation is even possible when you accept flagrant, provable and obvious lying aimed at maligning someone as a good contribution to the discussion? Don’t answer that expecting a reply - I put you in the same boat - someone not interested in civil discussion. As I said - we’re done.
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I read through all Zyrius’s, Kuma’s and Kanshu’s posts between yours and I gotta say I’m kinda impressed how those guys manage to keep the banter so lighthearted and on-topic tbh. Personally I’ve reached the end of my patience with how you idiots argue your side, you literally just make sht up outright and contradict yourselves over and over while claiming the most laughably inane things, like we’re all the same person on alts. Like you literally just did right now.
I could go and quote some of it but this thread doesn’t need yet another redux, it’s all there for people to see and marvel at if they want.
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Dual spec isn’t a buff. It’s a quality of life feature.
Do you typically just call anyone you disagree with a liar?
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No - just A person that takes one sentence and cuts it in half and quote it twice to look like two different contradictory sentences and claims a contradiction - i.e someone who actually lies.
Lmao at this guy going on about “character assassination”
be more dramatic mate you’re arguing on a video game forum
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I’m not even discussing the core point anymore (I don’t care at this point if dual spec gets added) - just defending against lies and direct attacks on my character - what would you call it?
Mind pointing out where he did? I just took a quick glance through the thread and was unable to find it.
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Sure - incoming - dredging it back up:
In this case Kanshu took one thing I said and cut it in half to mean the opposite of what I said and quoted it:
Then he quoted the full correct quote and pretended it was a seperate contradictory quote:
That’s a brazen lie. And he proceeded to lord this lie over me for loads of threads. There’s other similar examples too but this one is pretty plain to see and clear cut.
Now - it gets dredged up again - months later. To do what? Not to make a point or to argue the topic, nah, but rather to drag me through the mud again. I’m not hanging onto it - it got dredged up again by Egwyn - specifically to deride and discredit me.
You wonder why I don’t trust the dude or anyone defending him to have a discussion in good faith?
The conversation was actually going in a constructive direction before that. But that’s the thing - these four people don’t want a constructive conversation, they want a petition - and so they sabotage it by making stuff up. It’s in their interest to present it as a binary for or against with the “goodies” being for and the “baddies” being against. In reality it’s nuanced. There are some cases I can see some value in it but mostly I think it’s unnecessary and potentially detrimental to some aspects of the game. Much of this has been picked apart in detail already.
I do realise I have played the man and not the topic - but in my case it’s a reaction, in defence. If you want to address the topic I will too, but I will fight back if attacked.
Don’t want to be called a liar - then don’t lie. I mean this topic has been the dregs as far as “discussion” goes.
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Okay, so just to clarify:
One person misquoted you in this thread and so you spent the next 3000+ comments being inflammatory towards those who were trying to have an honest conversation?
No offense, but you make claims of direct attacks on your character, and yet not once have I seen you even attempt to be civilized, even towards those who have offered you a respectful discourse.
It seems to me like you need to let it go.
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There’s plenty of “misquotes” and false claims.
If it were just done to me I wouldn’t care. It’s a handful of people - four specifically - who strategically do it to many people. They do it to keep bumps and to keep a perpetual conflict to promote their preference to the devs. The behaviour literally kills productive and interesting discussion. It’s a common strategy because it works. They get away with it.
But yeah - what can I do about it? Nothing - so you’re right, I should let it go. I just wish the forums had some decent moderation. The behaviour is endemic to these sorts of threads.
And yet you engage in it yourself, as pointed out by others in this thread.
Sorry, but you’re not much better than those you allegedly push back against.
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Whatever. As far as I’m concerned the topic was done to death 3 months ago. No-one (on either side) has raised a single valid new point since. It’s all just been an attack and misinformation merrigoround.
But if someone dredges up an out of context bunch of quotes attributed to me, I’ll be responding with why I said those things and if I said them. Maybe ask yourself why someone thought three months of my comment was worth bringing back up now (out of context), and how that added to the discussion. Perhaps consider that my reactions are not without significant provocation.
The sole aim of Egwyns post was to attack and stoke up something, a reaction - maybe ask her or him why s/he chose that action and what it contributed to the thread.
If calling me “just as bad” or a “hypocrite” means that we’ll all stop behaving like cads, go for it - I hope it works. I’m more than happy to have a civil discussion. Bring it on.
We have tried letting it go. They keep bringing it back up though and refuse to actually discuss the topic.
I have had my arguments misquoted, misrepresented, outright dismissed through claiming it is fear mongering, been called a lair, had people claim I’m not qualified to talk about the topic because I post on a non tbcc toon (and showed my main upon request) and then it goes full circle with then starting from the beginning of the antics again.
Us pointing out there tactics doesn’t make us lairs. You can go back through the read and see for yourself. Not to mention they have tried making multiple other dual spec threads to try and escape discussion on the topic and get their echo chamber of approval for it.
Megarune is an example of this as he was active in here, then ran off to make a new thread, hoping to escape actual discussion.
If people character assassinate you for nearly a year, you lose what patience you had with them. I’ve had to take multiple self induced vacations from this topic to keep myself more composed. Honestly the fact I have had multiple posts in this very thread mass reported and then upon review them to be found as false reports and the post restored shows the type of attitude these people have toward actual discussion on the topic.
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