Yeah, they would never add something, like say a boost to 58, just for the money because it completely defieds the “promise” of BC.
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Again, I’m really not interested in the very long and nearly infinite list of what Blizzard has the authority to do.
I’m paying Blizzard to play TBCC because I have been effectively sold, based on their words and actions, that TBCC is going to remain as a product that I relatively expect to remain as.
If it deviates away from that expectation, they will no longer get my money.
So right now, because I’m still here paying them, I am relatively confident that my values for what they should do with TBCC are decently aligned with what Blizzard plans to do with TBCC, with some level of deviation of course (as stated prior, I feel the boost and the arena changes were big missteps).
I don’t need you to prepare me for disappointment, Blizzard has disappointed me plenty of times so I’m very quite well accustomed to it, but I’ve been a paying subscriber since Classic Vanilla released and am still paying them now because I think they’re doing OK at providing exactly what I feel like was promised, consistently.
Based on this, I don’t have much of a problem making a rough calculation that dual spec is unlikely to be added.
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Then by this very admission:
There are neither expectations nor standards that Blizzard is bound to.
If Blizzard makes a change you don’t like and you quit, that’s that. That’s not a broken promise, that’s not a breach of standards, etc.
Given your mixing and matching of what you prefer and what Blizzard is bound to do, this assessment has little value.
Yes there are, and I believe the content Blizzard has provided on the subject describes those values well enough to the point that I’m satisfied with continuing to pay them after their (occasionally flawed) demonstration of those values thus far.
Yeah, but you’re ignoring the fact I’ve already stated that I’m relatively confident they won’t, hence why I’m still here.
Lmao, so? Value to who? You?
Everyone makes their own personal value assessment of a product before they purchase it, it’s irrelevant how you feel about it, or how much you feel it adds to any discussion.
Ultimately, the value of an assessment on a purchase is only relevant to the one making the purchase.
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Full stop… right here… because you didn’t actually point to expectations or standards, you just substituted your preferences.
Your preferences are not their standards and expectations.
Blizzard’s standards are within the EULA you signed, no more, no less.
I’m not ignoring it, I’m just baffled you’ve convinced yourself that because your preferences mostly align with how Blizzard is currently running the show that the trend will continue based upon your confusion of preference and Blizzard standards.
To anyone, including yourself.
“Behold this THING I love, cherish, and value!”
“Uhh… you’re holding a dog turd…”
“I value it!”
“…why?”
“Because of my love of holding warm and mushy things!”
“…gross. Also you know it won’t stay warm or mushy right?”
“I’m confident it will remain as such, you see I prefer warm and mushy and it is in fact, warm and mushy, so I see no problems here.”
“…but it only happens to be warm and mushy NOW because it just came out of that dog over there. It’ll dry up and cool pretty quickly.”
“Pah! Should such an unlikely event ever occur, I shall discard this turd for something else.”
“But you know that the turd isn’t conforming to what you want… right? It is a turd. It just happened to be what you like when you found it.”
“Pish posh! No dryness here! You and your silly hardness campaign won’t sway ME.”
“…oh.”
For TBCC so far, I think these things are relatively well aligned with my preferences based on their previous words and actions.
Aside from your silly analogy using dog poop…
One of us will be correct by the end of TBCC. I’m fairly confident it will be me. Feel free at any point through the phases though to discontinue engaging on this subject when you realize that dual spec is unlikely to be added.
Right now I’m fairly confident that they don’t have plans to implement dual spec. Ignoring “values and standards”. Specifically for dual spec, I’m quite certain they won’t add it.
If dual spec never gets added, my assessment of Blizzard’s values will have been correct. At that point you really can’t make the argument that they simply were ignorant of a desire for it amongst the players, which means they definitively will have chosen to not add it despite such desires existing.
The argument, at this point, can only be won with patience. Until then, this is all arbitrary.
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Thats fair and all but if not now, when (doesnt have to strictly be dual specs)? With the exception of HvH BGs which cropped up after the fact, it would appear as their #somechanges campaign has ended barring something like another horde pvp queue scenario popping up.
Shouldnt we have heard something about it by now if, say, dual specs were something they were considering?
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This is something else I feel is quite notable.
Most of the changes they made were sort of packed in to opening of the expansion, with small, much less impactful tweaks made in the coming months after.
Any of the major/big changes they would have wanted to make they likely thought about and had ready to go on launch of TBCC or at least soon after.
It does feel like now they just coast on authenticity and they’re fine, unless something major crops up that needs to be addressed (and the need to save your precious gold on respecs does not count).
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Well that depends TBC Classic is clearly losing subs at this point and no if they do choose to do dual spec we’ll hear about it when they announce it just like same faction BG’s… Blizzard of late is hardly in an open communication mode.
Im sure its not true in 100% of all case but it would seem like most of the time that if Blizz was prepared for or thinking of implementing a player requested feature they would start the hype train on it early.
A recent example of this would be Classic+ SoM.
If Fasc’s point is there is plenty of time left for them to enact dual specs to spite me I would agree but given the amount of discussion on the topic it seems like they would want to strike when the irons hot and get people stoked for it if they were considering it.
I could very well be wrong but it looks like dual specs aren’t something they’re seriously contemplating. They could just save that time and energy and put Wrath out.
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Ive conceded this before and Ill do it again. If theyre metrics told them dual specs would be a bonafide retention mechanic which helps them financially they would most likely do it.
I still think they’d like to stem the bleeding as early as possible and make some kind of announcement in advance. It wouldnt even have to say dual specs, they could always do that PR thing where they say “we’ve been listening to you guys and we have an announcement coming in the upcoming weeks that we think you’ll guys love to hear” or something along those lines.
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This has nothing to do with dual spack or lack thereof.
This has everything to do with the current most-played and subscribed to MMO hoovering up most of the WoW’s remaining playerbase (FFXIV).
WoW is no longer the top dog in the MMO space, just a slow burning veteran in decline.
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LOL you truly do just live in your own little world and completely ignore everything that others are doing.
The number of people who have quit because of lack of dual spec is higher than a non zero number however much you might not understand that.
Evidence?
Are you just using the logic of “There has to be at least one person who’s quit over it!!” as your evidence?
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I don’ know how many, blizzard probably has a better idea, but yes it is more than 0.
This is quite possibly the worst supporting argument to a claim I’ve ever seen made on the subject of anything. In my history of ever reading someone defend a claim. Ever.
Lol.
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I have no idea how any of this makes it an obtuse comparison. Warmane launched its BC server with very modest changes for a private server, especially compared to Warmane’s other servers, and dual spec made it in as a QoL feature. It was otherwise close to blizzlike for its launch. Thus, this thread is not asking for an radical change.
Also, I don’t use Warmane’s server numbers. I go by its votes on the top 100
So what is a popular private server is generally going to be a horrid, and completely silly comparison to what should be done with retail classic.
The most popular servers always stayed close to blizzlike.
Of the QoL improvements made to WoW over its lifetime Dual spec was easily the best. I remember doing sunwell dailies as a tank speced pally and a tank spec warrior. It was slow. As a person who likes being a tank, I have the option of being ready to tank in dungeons and slow as a snail in the overworld or level/quest in a dps spec and not be ready to do dungeons in the role I prefer.
That being said; does it belong in Burning Crusade? I don’t know. Most of the arguments I see revolve around the fact that it wasn’t there 15 years ago. I respect that. Times have changed though. I often wonder if people who require purity in there BC experience have stopped using discord and have gone back Vent. Does Ventrillo still even exsist?
In the end I think it would be a great improvement to the game. Just as it was when it came out in wrath all those years ago. I do not see any downside to its implementation, unlike say LFG. However, weather you want them or not, they will eventually show up, unless you stay in BC forever.
This isn’t even true lol. Dalaran is probably the most played private server of all expansions, and it is far from Blizzlike.
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Ugh, this tired argument again.
Whether we use Ventrilo or discord as a third party application to supplement the VOIP method used while playing WoW is not relevant to a gameplay-affecting change in features available to the players playing the expansion.
Using this argument sort of invalidates your feigned “neutral” stance, because using this strawman of us requiring “purity” is basically saying we are #nochanges, and we aren’t (in the strictest sense).
And that’s where you’ll get to experience it again.
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