Dual Spec.. please?

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Of course they aren’t. It’s a GAME. If you don’t like it find another option, it’s why I left retail. But that doesn’t mean the game should be changed to FOR YOU. You want a game that doesn’t have restrictions on spec choice in the way tbcc does?

FIND ANOTHER GAME.

Stop trying to take away one of the few options for those who WANT tbcc as it is, a game that doesn’t let you change spec on a whim without an actual cost to it.

If dual spec is so important to you, you should enjoy retail because it has dual spec cranked up to 11/10 with its design

Or final fantasy mmo
Or new world
Exc.

There are other options, go there if you’re so unhappy here.

You keep telling me to stop telling you what is fun, I’m not doing that. I’m telling you there are options for you already, in tbcc and outside of tbcc, but the game I find FUN is tbcc, and you are trying to change it in a way I, and others will fund LESS FUN.

You can go get your cake at another store, stop demanding the pie shop I go to changes their menu from pie to cake FOR YOU.

If you don’t like tbcc as it is you can go to retail, if you don’t like that you can go to final fantasy mmo, new world, exc.

You have options.

You are currently trying to take away the option many people like that is tbcc WTHOUT dual spec by adding dual spec.

There’s a reason people left wow, they didn’t like the direction the game went. So you can leave tbcc, keep playing it, or wait for wotlkc.

You have options, stop trying to take away options from others.

Yes, just like you’d have options if dual spec was added, like simply not using it.

Self interest. Big difference.

No one is forcing you to play TBC without dual specs. Your sub is voluntary. However, if you got your way, you would force me under your paradigm.

In principle of course, in reality youre not getting dual specs so its kind of moot.

Sorry, that’s not true. You’re a member of a tiny fringe group that doesn’t want dual spec.

There were numerous threads near the beginning of classic where people talked about why they liked classic, didn’t like retail, and why they quit the game. In all those very long threads not one single person claimed they quit the game because dual spec was added. You’re completely clueless about why people quit the game.

Well whether we get dual spec or not really depends on blizzard :slight_smile:

And that will likely come down to how many subs they think it’s worth one way or the other.

No one would force you.

Okay so we’re at an impasse here.

You keep using arguments that can completely validly be used directly back at you.

How do we break the cycle?

The best way would be for blizzard to just add dual spec so we could see just how much BS all the fear mongering about being forced to dual spec really is :slight_smile:

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You could take a reading comprehension course and maybe you’d start making intelligent comments.

If I signed on to play the most accurate representation of original TBC available in an official capacity and a small group lobbied to get dual specs in with specious reasoning an expansion early because they feel entitled to it then I would have no other options for the TBC I wanted if it somehow got implemented. There are no alternatives. Id be forced to deal with it or quit.

Now Id quit which is no big thing to me as I give Classic Era more time than I do TBC and I could care less if the whole of WoW disappeared tomorrow.

Its different in your case because no one is asking you to take on anything that dramatically alters your experience.

Just like starting arena points at zero or making pieces require rating, we can see that all of the #somechanges Blizzard opt for are driven by increasing subs through increasing player ease and convenience … NOT.

What makes you think if there is a change it will go the way you want it too? Blizzard have made quite a few changes already that decreased player convenience and ease.

Not only that but, if they are planning to put dual spec into tbcc why isn’t it in Mastery? Given mastery is slated to include more changes.

Oh right, I forgot, you have a very limited response set. Forgive me for having higher expectations for a moment :sweat_smile:

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I dont think it was done with the intent to make it harder to rank in arena. I think it was a response to the rampant exploitation they saw in Classic.

Maybe so, but my main point here is that Blizzard haven’t simply opted for increasing player convenience with their changes. It’s a bit of an assumption that Bliz will always opt for player convenience.

They sometimes have, and sometimes they haven’t.

That was literally all same faction BG’s was for, which is actually a far bigger change than dual spec.

If you weren’t paying attention to or you misunderstood what the devs said about BC that’s on you. You were clearly told that no changes was not a part of BC. Several changes were made to the game when it was released. More changes were added later. The devs told you that the game was some changes and asked players to give them feedback as to what changes were wanted. If you didn’t want changes to the game you could have stayed on the classic era servers.

You’d have to prove that claim. It obvious why you never attempt to defend it. No one has been able to create a single way dual spec dramatically alters their experience, except with hard core guilds that might require some players to have 2 raid specs. Of course dozens of people have pointed out that if that’s the problem dual spec could be on a cool down and require the player be in a major city. That would make it harder to use in raids than the current system

Not all of them for sure. They did help the horde out in pvp. Its a mixed bag but I think youre right. It doesnt look like there is any kind of effort to make TBC more convenient via dual specs or anything else.

Again you confuse “always” with “never”.

I said it’s an assumption that blizzard will always opt for the more convenient option. I didn’t say they would never opt for the more convenient option. The two claims are not equivalent.

I’m basically suggesting that your confidence that a constant petitioning of Blizzard will work is perhaps optimistic.