Absence of evidence and all of that…
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2007 is not 2021 we have a lot less played pillow plane right now and we’re losing population by maybe not the day or week but we are losing people over all.
I hear it on World of Warcraft podcasts and I see it happening Is on my server and others.
People are just having trouble keeping Is a solid roster why Quite frankly because there’s such a barrier to both sides of things.
Is like it or not the way people play now pvp and PVE are both parts of their Gameplay that they wanna try and if they’re such a big beard or entry just to step in people just aren’t going to do it.
They are going to do what they want to do and just stop playing Is case in point and I also find it hilarious all of the arguments you guys are using.
Are the same arguments the dev’s used to justify conduit energy And covenant switching
And you can’t get more Retail than that
Fair. It’s not evidence but I think it’s telling none the less. Chances of getting the feature in TBC first seem slim to me.
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He not only acknowledged it was a problem for people who both pve and pvp but that it was just one example of how it would encourage them to take part in more parts of the game.
So non zero 
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Yet Zipzo treats them as if they are when it’s confirmation bias then flip to saying they aren’t when it’s not.
Which doesn’t matter anyway because your opinions aren’t even based on what they’ve said. They aren’t based in anything but your whimsies.
I don’t trust you as a credible source of what Zipzo says.
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I don’t know what jobs you work, but that didn’t sound like a job to me.
is respecing a hardcore mmo rpg feature. huh. cool
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I thought you ignored my posts Maybe not the days that you have to change things but it’s the fact you would have to schedule everything exactly.
Is that in emphasis Is having to play the game like a job by definition If I have to literally Write a schedule Is for my play time
That is no longer a game that is a job Is plain and simple
Whooo… selective quoting for the win.
I think that scheduling is an important part of it and sets old school MMOs apart from newer ones.
Guilds and such were largely the focus of social play in games like EQ and early wow.
That got replaced by later features to make adhoc grouping easier. It was a values shift between building a game that fostered long term meaningful online friendships versus a game you could casually and conveniently log into when it suits and play with either RL family and friends or random pickup groups.
Both valid and both very different in how they engage group play and the values behind it.
TBC straddled a sort of middle ground here. But the main focus of play still revolved around meeting and forming relationships with other gamers. Making schedules to perform various tasks, being in a guild.
It was stacked against adoc grouping, something that only WoTLK started to get right.
Managing your time and relationships is a key part of this iteration of wow.
How does dual spec change that?
Guilds don’t magically stop scheduling raid times because of dual spec.
All arguments against DS is about something else, not about DS.
From restaurants to raid scheduling…
Can they just reduce the cost to 20g or something.
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Too a degree I will agree with you however there’s a very very big difference Between saying something like.
OK guys we’re all going to raid on this day I suppose to ok On this day I raid And then after I get done with that raid then I’m gonna go respect and then I have to spend X hours farming to make sure that I still have enough gold to respect after I’m done doing PVP.
Throughout the entire week but I have to make sure I respect for Is this specific day so I’m ready to do the raid again on that following week.
Those are 2 very different things You’re restricting yourself too much that isn’t good game plague cause what’s gonna happen 1 or 2 things unless you already have some established especially for people that want you try it.
They’re just not going to do it And look at it say it’s not worth All that time and I don’t even know if I’m going to like it.
That’s like saying I see a magazine on the shelf and I’m going By a subscription to it When I haven’t even read the magazine yet.
People just don’t do that That’s the difference
My comment relates to megarunes comment about scheduling being a hassle. It was a reply to him. It’s not directly a comment attacking dual spec.
You see, some of us are trying to have a discussion rather than trying to attack opponents to score points.
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no, I simply often dont read them, because they are very hard to read.
pretty narrow viewpoint there. I urge you to realize that schedules don’t make games jobs.
I have to show up to raid on time, That’s a schedule. its not a job.
the topic has deviated. it’s nuanced.
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It’s one thing to schedule a raid which for most players is 2 nights a week. It’s another to have to schedule everything you do in the game. Most of the game happens spontaneously. Especially if you like to run dungeons and you like to do pugs. They come together when they come together. If farming and questing isn’t fun for some people in a tank or healing spec they can’t respec to dps to do that and still be available to heal a dungeon. Or I often play late at night and sometimes a group has a healer and are having trouble finding a dps. I’d like to do both but it just doesn’t work to tell a group you’ll dps but they have to wait while I go to Org, pay for a respec, redo my talents carefully so I don’t make a mistake, and redo my bars. The game simply can’t be planned the way you claim it can. Or you just don’t play the way I do and don’t understand that fun is a subjective concept and every one doesn’t play the same way you do.
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Imagine scheduling as a requirement to play the game =))
Uhh…everything he says is on these forums and can be read?
Riger, this comment is just a waste of an f-you to me and a bad attempt at one. You already let off your steam and insulted me earlier on anyway and it’s pretty clear you’re just going to insult people eventually when they disagree with you.
Not sure Blizzard is even reading this thread at this point, partially because numerous folks have mentioned numerous non-sequitors and asides that have nothing to do with anything. Blizzard has deleted threads because they “have nothing to do with World of Warcraft” and yet they just let people say or do whatever in this thread.
Just more inconsistent bs from whatever moderators are picking and choosing what to ban or whatever. Really don’t get it.
You’re so right, and it doesn’t need you playing Asmondgold and summing up his thoughts and feelings on his behalf … If we want we can actually read his actual words.
At least Asmongold supplies footage of the claims, and he tends to profit from it but he doesn’t outright malign people. You simply make it up, and smear people you don’t agree with. I mean you barely talk to me or Zip - you talk to “the forum” about us and how bad we are etc…
When you repeatedly say someone you openly disagree with is a liar or some other horrible thing about them or claim they have some extreme view, without even supplying a quote of them saying such a thing … well forgive me for not being a sucker and taking your word for it.
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