Dual Spec.. please?

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We all can point to isolated circumstances where some one off spec, undergeared, or inexperienced healed or tanked and it worked out. But usually it’s because someone with the right spec, or higher gear, and very skilled compensated for them. I leveled holy in vanilla because shadow priests couldn’t heal the tough groups. The ones with a newbie or underlevel or undergeared tank or dps that weren’t yet knowledgeable about their class. I’ve talked to prot tanks who told me they need to spec prot to deal with the mistakes dps make in pugs.

Some of us like to do dungeons and we don’t mind the tough groups. To do that someone, usually the tank or the healer, has to be in the right spec and be on their toes all the time to get the dungeon done. I’ve been pugging since vanilla and frankly I think you’re fos

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Gold sinks??? The economy was abused by mage bots selling boosts not lack of ‘gold sinks’.

You live in some bizarre care bear reality where you think that allowing healers a farming spec and pvpers a pve and pvp spec will ruin(?) your heroics experience.

Get real dude.

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In addition, if it were introduced - feel free to not buy it so u can remain authentic

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Which is the reason why the brought dual spec in with wrath. Because quite a lot people felt punished for enjoying more than just one content.

And the system also is stupid, as the punishment scales exponentiell. The more time you spend to the game, the more time you need to spend to be able to spend more time to it. That doesn’t make any sense!

Blizzard obviously agree’d to that, so they brought dual spec with wrath. All I am asking for is to implement it to the great expansion of TBC, so all the people who want to have more from the game can have more from the game, without the feeling of being punished.

But why am I still trying it, you are obviously not smart enough to get the point.

The point of dual spec is it, to give them the possibility to do so. Or to give healer/tank a spec they can use outside of raids. Or people the option to play PvE and PvP.

The system is made for the individual players, but also can have advantages for the community as all are benefiting when people play the game (the one or another way).

And what does harm the game most? When nobody plays, because they don’t want to farm gold first, to be able to play the real content.

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50g per respec for those that do it often. So that’s 100g per going back to origional spec. That means 10 times going from pve to pvp back to pve. Would be 1k gold removed from the economy. That is GOOD for the game. Unless dual spec costs an absurd price like 100k gold people will QUICKLY surpass the respec cost it would normally take in tbc to have that playtime.

The respec cost stops constant respecting and discourages a playtime of never being committed to a role. Your suggesting removing the BIGGEST possible gold sink from tbc classic for your convenience when inflation is already an issue. Ignoring the gameplay and social behavior changes it causes this would harm the economy a lot.

You ignore every way dual spec harms the game because you want your convenience.

You don’t have to change specs to farm, have alternate gear sets, and if you want to respec the gold is NOT HARD to get. If you think it’s to expensive now just wait for more dailies to be released. We will be DROWNING in gold then where one day of dailies can net you 200+gold not including mob drops, nodes found while doing them, exc. I already make about 15g just from doing the fishing and cooking dailies a day, and I’m not even doing those for gold. Nor is it considering the vendor items or sellable items they give me. respec cost is the biggest gold sink tbc has in the long run outside of repair costs (which is subjective to how bad a player or group is in pve)

Heck, once more dailies are out respecing DAILY will be a thing for a lot of people. Now look at the gold sink that will be for MONTHS of game play. Even if we just consider ONE person doing it if someone respecs for pvp and back to pve once a day, that’s 700g out of the economy per week, and when you can make 200g+per day from dailies in raw gold without vendor/AH that means that player is still generating gold into the economy if they do all dailies every day WITH the respec costs.

You fail to see how much dual spec hurts the economy, social aspects, and spec identity the long run, and you want me to just go along with it and say “ya we need dual spec because I don’t like to play the game, tall to people, and make gold!”

Dual spec causes a lot of harm on 3 major aspects of what tbc was, and considering tbc classic is supposed to be a remake of tbc, I don’t want major changes to how the economy works, to spec identity, nor to the social aspects of what was the best mmoRPG of its time.

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that’s not true at all, lol. you can kill mobs way quicker as 2, so you get more quest drops.

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Agreed. I actually partied on my hunter with a prot paladin. I helped him gather up about 15 mobs between misdrirect, pet grabbing mobs, me grabbing mobs, and meeting him in a spot that had a frost trap on it. We met, he took aggro, I used explosive trap, multi shot, volley and serpent sting on it all. We killed 15 mobs in the time it would normally take him to GATHER the 7 mobs he was normally fighting. And he was tank specced and geared. Tanks can still form groups outside of instances to make farming easy. Heck get a bear tank pull a huge area with moon fire tab targeting, gather them I to one spot, and have a mage or warlock burn them all down, even a boomkin could so so. Or have a healer pared with a dps that is gathering them all up to aoe them down.

The reason huge aoe pulls can be done is because of health efficiency, either from being very tanks, or being healed (or not getting hit at all…mages). Heck get a healer and tank together and they can pull EVERYTHING in the area I did this during my negrand beast kill quests, my on my hunter, a warrior tank, and a holy paladin gathered everything withing view distance up and then killed it all. I think we did a 38 mob pull at one point in the open world, all beasts, and we had a skinner following us, he wasn’t helping to kill much, he was to busy skinning it all as we would have another pile ready for him by the time he finished one pile.

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much wow you were able to aoe packs in nagrand

WoW was at its peak in popularity in wotlk but if there was no dual spec it woulda been even better and more social right?

er no Wrath was great for many reasons and dual spec was one of them. It enabled so many more people to engage with the game and do things they wouldn’t have been bothered to do due to the pain the butt of going to a trainer and respeccing, spending ur 50g etc etc.

Now they could go do their dailes, do a dungeon and then respec right back to their pvp spec and do bgs and arena.

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Yeah, I agree with Chibbs - you do speak for yourself and not necessarily the wider Classic community (same could be said of me too). But the irony of the comment made me chuckle.

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Wrath was great, but let’s let wrath be great for what it was, and tbc be great for what it was. No need to throw features into tbc classic that were not meant to be there any more than it already has. We should never be making a change because other changes got made.

If you love dual spec and feel you need it to enjoy wow, wait for wotlk classic or go to retail, let’s let tbc classic be great for being tbc classic. Just as wotlk classic should be great for being wotlk classic.

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No.

Dual Spec should be introduced to TBC Classic.

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#somechanges not #sh1tchanges

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not gonna happen

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You guys are all playing the wrong version of wow

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I was going to reply to the same thing, but there’s nothing that can be said to this person. Just look at their next post. No gold sinks in Classic? Clearly Dual Spec doesn’t remove needing to respec entirely, but they can’t see it. We tried, but they won’t see reason, and they don’t need to. Only Blizzard does.

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You still have to respec even with Dual Spec. people don’t want to respec constantly. We can do this all day.
Also, we’ve seen what “Spec identity” leads to. Remember BfA? Some farm probably remembers.

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Absolutely. I’m not really talking to them. I’m posting to make the dual spec threads as long and numerous as possible so that they might come to the attention of blizzard

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Speak for yourself.

People don’t want to work for epic loot either but the game is more fun when they have to.

“I think Henry Ford once said, “If I’d asked customers what they wanted, they would have told me, ‘A faster horse!’” People don’t know what they want until you show it to them.” Steve Jobs.

What people say they do or don’t want often bears little resemblance to what they actually do end up wanting (from a consumer perspective). To my mind the proven success of TBC both originally and emerging currently is evidence that it is a winning formula for a good chunk of the WoW market. I think Bliz should be very careful not to upset that balance with the changes they promote. Simply “listening to the community” doesn’t guarantee they will get it right.

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Nor does listening to the part of the community that says no to any change guarantee they will get it right. I don’t think you’ll find one hunter who will tell you it’s a good thing they had a dead zone in Vanilla or that it wouldn’t have been a good thing if that BC change that eliminated it was added to Classic. The original devs weren’t gods and classic remakes aren’t some holy relic. Mistakes were made and some changes are good and should be added.

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I mean, I was for guild banks in vanilla classic because it created a gold sink, was in line with the design goals of community working together, and gave people a viable accomplishment spot for their guild.

Dual spec however HURTS the design goals of tbc.

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