Dual spec brings many positive aspects to the game. I don’t list every one of them in every post I make. If I did the posts would be so long no one would read them.
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And yet you ignore the harmful aspects it brings to the very core of the game design of tbc.
I have often explained why I disagree with that opinion.
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You don’t speak for most.
You speak for yourself
Also no we don’t want dual spec
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I didn’t say “your class had what it needed built in, and with your def cap gear and cooperation, you all worked it out and made it through just fine.” I said they kicked you for running talents that weren’t appropriate for the role they invited you to fill, because you weren’t tank spec, because you didn’t “choose” to spend 50g to respec, which you “chose” because you don’t have dual spec.
This was a Classic problem. This was a TBC problem. This was a Wrath problem, which became less of a problem with Dual Spec.
If dual spec were ever to be implemented all those against it can feel free to NOT use it to maintain their ‘authentic’ TBC experience
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If you’re running a hybrid specialization, you’re not specializing in anything. You’re just special.
Funniest post yet
Someone’s gotta be funny cuz these toxic retail players don’t know how to be happy
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Then I would expect you to not play Wrath of The Lich King Classic if/when it makes it here. Too slippery and slopey for you. Might become to much like retail, with their dual spec and paid level boosts and paid faction/server transfers.
Well - releasing WoTLK features at the start of TBC is too slippery a slope - for me. But in it’s context for an expansion originally designed to run with those features I’d give it a go.
So you’re planning to quit because they released the wrath pally seal change at the start of TBC?
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I’m not planning to quit … but it’s (dual speccing) a change that will further weaken the impact of choice, and that may end up making the game less fun for me (it had that effect in the past) and then I may quit to play some other title. It’s not a threat or a plan, just something I could see being a consequence.
Ah, so it seems releasing WoTLK features at the start of TBC is not too slippery a slope - for you. And paid level boosts aren’t either. And store bought mounts.
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Not always - could be, depends on the change and the impact of the change.
I was more refuting the argument that because a change was accepted in one expansion it shouldn’t be an issue releasing it in an earlier expansion. That’s clearly false else we could argue for all of retails features to be released in TBC classic. I mean many people like retail so they should be perfectly fine with a TBC classic with a shop and vanity pets, and pet battles, and pruned talents?
For me it is case by case. I’m not so much a #nochanges dude as I am a #minimalchanges dude. The more it impacts on what I feel is core to the games design i.e “the spirit of the game” the more I’m likely to oppose the idea.
Having impactful costly choices is something I believe is core to the “spirit” of TBC. Dual spec erodes that.
The Private servers I’ve played on also give both factions the faction exclusive seals. Of the ones I played on, very few features from later expansions were added if any, but Dual Spec was the most common and it was great. So freeing, made the play time so much better. The WotLK servers I was on didn’t use or need features from future expansions, because it was already great.
I have had an ele shaman heal a heroic just fine. We had to stop to drink more often, but it worked just fine because he had a resto set (and no he didn’t outwear it in resto gear nor was the tank super geared)
I have had a boomkin druid with bear gear tank a heroic as well, we had to use more CC but it worked.
Your confusing the meta mindset with what’s needed. And they won’t just kick you in most cases as long as you are performing the role of the tank or healer because of the wait time to find another. Most groups will “try it” and if it fails, it’s not because of the talents. Dps can not be watching their aggro, healer could be the issue when the tank, while not in a prot spec is doing fine, or the tank is bad and the ele shaman is not able to keep him up because he is standing in fire without a care.
You can do heroics without using any talents, it’s harder sure, but this isn’t retail, you don’t have to be prot spec to have taunt, charge, intercept, exc. Gear>talents. And of course actual skill at the game is important as well.
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Yes, congratulations you have correctly pointed out that competent players with the gear can overcome the incorrect spec.
Now do pvp vs pve specs (which is probably the main reason we want dual spec)
This is a little different then “dual spec will help fix the tank/healer shortage”
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And then your removing one of the main Gold sinks tbc has by adding dual spec. Did you play vanilla classic? Did you see the rampant inflation because of the lack of gold sinks. By removing gold sinks you hurt the games economy even more.
Dual spec is convenient. But it kills hybrid specs that are designed to be able to heal and dps decently at both, it hurts the economy, it hurts the social aspect of having to TALK to and BEFRIEND people to get easier access to groups. Heck I play a hunter, I met a pug paladin at level 64 and did mana tombs normal with him and his friends, I played with him once and after that he has asked me to group with him multiple times because I knew my class, I was kind and helpful (I gave him mana potions to help him hold aggro because oom=no aggro for prot pally, so many mana burns in mana tombs lol)
He’s on my friends list now and is among the 30+ tanks/healers on my friends list that regularly ask me to join them in heroics. I play a SV hunter, they know I can CC like a monster, still do good dps, help keep the tank alive, kite, I use owl for less damage to the tank, I interrupt spells as a hunter (wyvern sting and scatter shot are part of my talent build and can be used as plesebo interrupts) if your having issues getting tanks and healers to want you back, maybe it’s not a tank shortage problem, but a you problem? Are you to busy looking at your big D meters to use your utility, or not pull aggro? If the tank likes running with you, there’s a good chance they will do it again.
Edit: the social aspect goes both ways healers and tanks want to find dps they like to run with as well.
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