Again, I will reiterate. You are the person demanding the game be radically changed to suit your personal views and interests. Yet you tell the people telling you to quit demanding changes and just accept the game as it is because it’s fine that the “game isn’t for them and to quit.”
The only person here with problems and concerns that spell out the game isn’t for them is you. So take your own advice and come back in Wrath when you have dual spec.
Look at it like a friend, or a relationship partner. Obviously they are not perfect, nor are you. However if you need to require the person to drastically change how they are or how they look in order to be appealing to you, it’s better that you find someone else who actually possesses what you are looking for because clearly you can’t accept them for who they are flaws and all which is kind of what you’re meant to do in those circumstances. Imagine trying to enjoy someone’s company then telling them “Yeah, I would love to be your friend but you need to lose weight, you need to dress this way, you need to have these opinions on life, also you need to be this intelligent for me to even consider it first.” Odds are they will tell you precisely what we’re telling you which is to go sit on a cactus or something more graphic that I imagine you’re not unfamiliar with being told.
These are in ways we did not want. NOBODY wanted the level boost, NOBODY wanted the instance cap, NOBODY wanted the chronoboon, they wanted world buffs to just be removed from the game period.
The boost exists because of people like you who couldn’t play the game unless it was catered to them specifically because they’re special, they shouldn’t have to level. Now they’re here and demanding dual spec, LFR, Blizzard to force people to go Alliance or encouraging it with various incentives, I’ve even seen posts from retail brats asking for war mode. These are YOUR people, not mine.
If one change I want means I should play retail with it’s dozens of changes then one change you don’t want means you should quit. And you listed several changes you don’t want.
A guild bank let’s people trade items without any social component. They just put the items in and take them out without a word to their guild members. Why did you want a change that removes a social component that the devs must have intended to be there?
Yes, because it exists in retail, so if you want it go play there. This isn’t that hard to understand.
Yeah, isn’t it amazing what happens when a bunch of people ask for “one small change” to a game that’s fine but to them needs to be specifically tailored to them?
No, because it’s not in the game. If it does come to pass you can guarantee I will quit and go back to FFXIV or OSRS because the whole Classic project will be nothing more than Blizzard trying to bastardize the old game by throwing in a bunch of their changes that undermine what makes the game truly great. It will signal that the game is no longer for people like me who want to relive and enjoy TBC another time and is a home for the retail players because they destroyed their first home and now need to destroy mine.
I don’t go into somebody else’s home and start rearranging their furniture to suit me when I visit. I respect how they have things lined up and don’t change a single thing about what they have and I admire how it’s set up to their tastes. Maybe that’s something that comes when you become an adult, I don’t know. It might be an intelligence thing, there’s a lot of dumb adults who vote for bad ideas, flee the state they helped run into the dirt to another one and start demanding the same things that destroyed their first state. Which again, is much like what you are trying to do here by demanding changes.
You’re actually clueless if you think this is why guild banks were made a thing. Guild banks were made a thing because guild masters would have upwards of 5 characters on their account and prohibit them from having alts because they had to hold guild items on those characters like all the boe tier from MC, enchanting mats for guild enchants, herbs and ores for the players, etc. Or were forced to have another account subscribed to have alts or hold those items just because they were the leader of a guild and therefore expected to hold all of the items for the guild that would be used to progress.
It also stopped the whole “Well our GM just quit the guild and took the entire bank with them.” because Blizzard had logs of what they had that were guild related and could punish people who ninja’d the guild bank. Though they did later stop dealing with this and just tell you “They had permission to take items, they did, nothing wrong was done here.”
You really should quit the game since you wanted no changes and there have been so many changes you didn’t want.
Boosts are in the game. A store bought mount is in the game. The wrath change to the pally seal is in BC. These changes clearly aren’t that bad for you since you’re still playing.
Blizzard makes the decisions and they have announced that there will be some changes. They asked for feedback from the players about what changes they want. Now you’re telling me it’s wrong to give the owner of the game the information they requested. Your stupid furniture story is ridiculous but if a friend asked me for feedback on his furniture arrangement I’d respond if I had an idea
You’re saying the devs made a mistake when they didn’t have guild banks and it caused problems. I’m saying the devs made a mistake when they didn’t have dual spec and it caused problems.
I mean, if that’s how your guild had your guild bank set up, it was easily stolen from. Guild banks didn’t have to give people unhindered access. It was usually officers who could pull stuff out and distribute it, and you would have to ask them for it.
If your guild had a free for all grab what you want… that’s on you and your guild I guess, and stuff probably disappeared a lot for you.
No, you can say what you want. Just don’t try to paint it as “We all want it” because we don’t. Also there were plenty of other dual spec threads out there making this one was just spam.
The devs didn’t make a mistake by not having guild banks in vanilla, they had plans to release it and it got postponed until tbc. But that doesn’t mean player homes (aka garissons) should be in vanilla classic because those were planned as well.
Guild banks didn’t come out until tbc, so they will be in tbc classic. Dual spec didn’t come out until wotlk, so they will be in wotlk classic. Let the classics be what they are supposed to be, stop trying to change them. I stopped pushing for guild banks for vanilla even though I thought it would be a good addition because it doesn’t belong in vanilla.
So give your feedback, but don’t try and make your opinion out to be “our” opinion.
I played the game for years on several different servers in several different guilds and every one had different tabs with different levels of access. The first tab might allow anyone to take out as much as they wanted, another 10 items another 2 etc. One might only allow access to higher level members. I never heard from the guild officers that there was ever a problem with it. Perhaps the trust level in your guilds wasn’t very high so your members had to ask every time they wanted something. Or perhaps you’re lying and you didn’t know that each tab can have different levels of access. I know how guild banks work because I had personal guilds on alts for the guild bank to store stuff for all my alts. I have one alt with a personal guild in BC classic now.
I never have. I care about language, intellectual honesty, and clarity. I’m very careful about my choice of words. I’m meticulous about using qualifiers like some, many, etc. These things are more important to me than this game. I’ve never said “we” want dual spec unless it was clear who I meant by we. Never even by implication said we meant all players. It’s usually the anti changers who keep claiming that other people who they are clueless about agree with them.
You’re not the forum monitor and you’re not the boss of me. I’ll do what ever I want within the rules blizzard has set up for their forum. It’s not your forum. It’s not your rules
I’m well aware of the different levels of tabs, I was an officer in my guild in wotlk-cata. The first tab did give most members access but it was mostly a junk tab. Second tab was raid consumables, then we had enchant/gem mats, then top end gear mats, then the guild master had a tab that was basically his personal bank tab. Each officer teir had the job of organizing the distribution, restocking, and organization of a tab. I was one of the 3 officers in charge of the raid consumables, though I also had access to the enchanting and gems tan because I regularly deposited a lot of ore and gems as well.
We talked to guild members, told them what we were running low on, asked specific people to farm for X mats. Passed the consumes out in raid, exc. It wasn’t a trust thing, it was organized and coordinated. All a member typically had to do to get something was ask. And it would be provided. If the guild had 20 yellow gems and 0 red gems we would sell some yellows to buy reds. If we had to much fish feast and not enough flasks, we would sell some and buy flasks. It was a balancing act of gathering what we needed, selling surplus to buy understocked items, and distributing it as needed. Not having free for all tabs isn’t just about trust, if you have to many people trying to “organize” something it just becomes a mess. And I hated being an officer, it was a lot of work to keep everything in order when I just wanted to play the game. And I did a lot of the fishing and ore mining on My own because I enjoy it. But having to tell others what we needed and asking them to gather and keep it organized sucked.
If your guild was giving full access to the guild bank, it was unorganized as heck.
I already told you the guilds I was in had multiple levels of access based on the tab. Do you always have this much trouble remembering what your read? It was only minutes ago.
I don’t know the exact number but from my experience on the forums since Vanilla it hasn’t even become close. I’m sure none of them will be deleted or consolidated. So your desire to silence those that advocate for dual spec will fail.
Telling you why dual spec is bad is trying to silence you? Disagreeing with you is not trying to silence you, if you feel attacked, well… sorry for not letting you have an echo chamber??? Your here expressing your views and opinions, I’m doing the same. If I was trying to silence you I would be trying to get you forum banned, which I’m not. I’ve been targeted for that before during an AV thread discussion where I was having dozens of posts falsely flagged simply because I had a different opinion. They were reviewed and dismissed, but it was still hiding my posts for a time from others. If you don’t want to talk to me, you have the ability to ignore me.
Implying that the dual spec threads are spam and that there are rules against spam is evidence of your desire to silence us. Did you forget you said that too? Your memory issues are pretty bad. You really should have that checked out.