This is the type of brain dead nonsense I’m sick of hearing. In your mind a minor change to the already existing system of respeccing is somehow equivalent to importing something from a totally different game made by a totally different company. That’s the context to your post dude
1st off says you 2nd of all By your perspective anybody that is pro Dual spack Posts are Irrelevant
What is surprise you don’t agree with me I’m so shocked My logic still stands whether you agree with it or not well that’s on you.
If people would just leave it at #nochanges as their reason why they don’t want dual spec that would be one thing.
But when people start trying to claim it somehow wouldn’t fit in TBC from an actual gameplay perspective then they have to explain why, and so far noone has been able to do so.
Youre a liar.
And we have. 100s of times.
The classes are designed more around niches in TBC than in later expansions. There is less developer crafted group world content in classic and TBC than in WoTLK and later - the assumption being that people would group up naturally due to niches.
I’m not going to further justify it with arguments as I have many many many many times. You simply ignore the arguments you’re given. Worse - you then claim the arguments were never made.
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You have consistently refused to explain in any actual detail why dual spec wouldn’t work. All you do is make some vague statement about TBC not being designed for it. Dual spec does not change classes being esigned around niches, since wait for it you can still only be in one spec at a time and can’t change in combat.
Everything you don’t agree with is braindead nonsense to you. Must be difficult being right all the time?
The point I made was an example in response to someone saying we’re opposed to dual spec. I then tried to lay it out clear as day that we don’t oppose it in all contexts, just in one. I used a very obvious example to make it clear.
You however, have read it in isolation of context and are assuming I am saying dual spec is a big change, that is a ‘braindead’ reading of the example - or at least solipsistic. The comment was about the poster ignoring context and then you respond to it ignoring the context - without even a hint of irony …
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A minute a go you were saying I never gave reasons, now you admit I did but they don’t meet your standard of detail? Progress of a sort…
Your position is basically to make false claims that I’m for no changes, and that I oppose dual spec in all instances. Then you use those false claims to make out that I am being inconsistent and shady when I don’t conform to those positions.
You keep claiming I refuse to give reasons then shift that to the level of detail of the reasons. Classic strawman.
Over thousands of posts we have given plenty of reasons and plenty of detail that you simply claim never happens to suit your narrative.
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I’m saying you didn’t give a reason, you made a vague statement about classes being niche which is not a reason why dual spec would be incompatible with TBC. Merely a statement about classes.
And I explained exactly why I thought it was brain dead nonsense. There are lot’s of things people post that I disagree with that aren’t as stupid as what you just posted. For example I disagree that using dual spec in raids is a problem. But I understand the argument. That’s why I posted a compromise, dual spec could be on a cool down and have to be changed in a major city. That would make it harder to respec in raids then the current system
Is Dual Spec game changing? Not really. Just minimizes farm and travel time.
It it in the sprit of TBC Classic? Mehhhh up in the air.
I think they should of added Guild Banks at the start of TBC classic but ya know, it’s whatever.
For those against Dual Spec, is there anything that you are afraid of that it will cause? Besides breaking Classic TBC immersion? (ex. If they add Dual Spec, then they will for sure add wow token’s)
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What you don’t think dual spec is exactly the same as adding space combat?
This to me sums up the core issues and puts it sensibly.
I personally think it’s not in the spirit of TBC due to it being something the original devs even commented about and gave reasons for not including. That is much of why I oppose it for tbc. But it’s actually not a massive issue for me. If it got added I’d still probably play.
I think adding it will further erode the reasons for grouping up in the open world. It will also cause various classes to be stacked in raids more due to eroding the niches some specs bring.
But there are bigger problems with the game right now such as server imbalance and low pop servers.
The disingenuous “debating” on it is a big issue for me. There are some that are campaigning for it like a national election, using all the same shady arguments. That’s what keeps drawing me into the discussion.
Edit: I don’t believe that people aren’t playing the game because they can’t Dual Spec though.
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Dual spec is like adding a new zone, Mordor, and a third faction, removing orcs from the horde, changing all the orcs into servants of Sauron, adding hobbitts and making the main quest line the destruction of the one ring.
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New Class, COD Player, you play in first person and have an m16.
And now you’ve joined them by saying adding dual spec is like adding space war from Eve. You’re even worse than the people claiming it’s like adding death knights or garrisons. At least those comparisons are from the same game.
No - I said that adding dual spec is not a problem for me, adding it to TBC is. And then I used a very obvious example of context shift with adding space flight - to make the distinction clear.
The point of the example was to show that the context is important. And now here you are making an incorrect inference on my example based on ignoring the context …
Let me give you the context again:
person one 1: “You oppose dual spec so how do you deal with it in WoTLK will you oppose that?”
me: “No I don’t oppose dual spec, I oppose it in this case and this case only - let me give an obvious example: I don’t oppose space flight in games but I oppose it in this game because the context is wrong”
You: “You’re braindead and arguing that spaceflight in TBC is as extreme as Dual spec”
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Then with these incredibly biased and contextual objections we end up in this stupid merry go round of over explaining everything because people like you fail to read nuance or understand context.
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You compared adding dual spec to TBC to adding space combat to TBC.
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Yep to clearly demonstrate the main point - that opposing a thing in one context does not mean I oppose it in all contexts …
Ironic that this has provided you more opportunity to completely ignore context …
I’ll exit the thread again for a bit, as you’re both using asinine objections again to get thread bumps. You’re trying to portray my position as something it isn’t and then pretending the example I used to demonstrate that is saying something it isn’t. And you’re doing it for an agenda not for discussion.
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And it’s accurately being pointed out you picked a ridiculous comparison.