Neither do I, incidentally. Not even on my alts.
I’m fine without Dual Spec in TBC classic. I really don’t care.
If Dual Spec was in TBC I would likely play a whole lot more though.
I have a resto druid, and would love to kill things more efficiently without respeccing all the time.
I think “single spec” isn’t really a limitation though, all the other examples you gave are great, like yeah, 71 talent points instead of 51" gives more freedom but is bad" sure.
People can switch specs all they want right now, just with a gold fee and inconvenience of travel and clicking through all the talents.
So as far as that goes, specialization switching is not a limitation. Dual spec just saves time and money.
We will see if Activision Blizzard is still kicking next year for wrath, that’s what I am looking forward to playing!
I mean, in the sense that maybe it wasn’t conceived as one.
Like when they were deciding what to do with specs I maybe doubt that the conversation had any form of “Well shouldn’t we prevent them from having all the talent points?”, as in, it was probably understood from the get-go that builds would be exactly what you’d expect them to be: builds, which by definition means you don’t have everything or must forgo other things depending on what you want.
However, it became a limitation when players started asking for more and Blizzard gave a hard “no” stance on it.
For that reason I would call it a limitation in a sense, but it’s a “soft limitation”, not a hard one.
The reason why, is because since nobody has infinite gold, technically at any given moment, everyone has a limited number of times they can feasibly respec before they need to generate new gold, which is the farming part of this process required in order to facilitate respeccing. So, on it’s face, not counting the farming necessary to generate the resources, it is for all intents and purposes a limitation in the strictest sense, but it’s one that you can actively counteract with effort, so this:
I mostly agree with, which is why it’s ridiculous to keep saying that dual spec gives players more “freedom of choice”. They have that choice now, it just costs gold.
The “freedom” comes in the form of time they don’t need to spend doing a thing, or the gold they don’t have to spend doing a thing…which is basically to say they don’t like doing anything in-game other than raids/dungeons/bgs with a variety of their classes’ builds, which isn’t a bad thing, but in an MMORPG like the older WoWs, you have to support that desire. You’re simply advocating for freedom from playing the game so you can only play the parts you like, which isn’t a deceitful motivation or anything but it’s simply not how the game was designed to be played. Blizzard has no reason to value this sort of “freedom” because they can’t guarantee how that freedom even gets used. For all they know that freedom just lets the person log-off sooner, reducing their MAU statistics. Blizzard wants you to spend more time playing, not less.
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Yeah I agree with pretty much everything you had to say.
I am a super casual player, haven’t done a TBC raid yet, but I have 1700 plus healing on my druid which I think is not too shabby…
Personally like I said before, I know I would play more if I had an easier and cost effective way to do damage on my healing main (especially because of how casual I am). But maybe it would cause others to not want to play as much, who knows.
I would be curious how many people currently pay to switch their spec multiple times a week.
I don’t think Dual Spec should be in TBC Classic though. But boy I wouldn’t oppose it hehe.
anyone who’s against it doesn’t have a thread of idea of the frustration being a healer and trying to do some quests or farming
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Again with the nonsense analogies. It’s tough to get blizzard to do anything so those who want changes to make the game better usually chose the change that requires the least effort from blizzard. Why do you think horde pvpers rallied behind HvH battle grounds? There were many other ideas for a fix for the queue times but most just asked for HvH bg’s because it was the smallest change that might make things better for them that required the least amount of effort from blizzard. I think you’re pretty clueless about how the company works
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Keep in mind she has a binary view, every thing is either a change or not a change there’s no nuance as to the nature of the change or any number of other changes.
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What on earth indicated that making horde face their own faction was the easiest change to fixing queue times?
You’re just hamfisting things in to your narrative without it making any sense.
I’ve already explained to you the reasoning why tri-spec would probably not be difficult to implement. It’s probably orders of magnitude easier to implement than other things I could easily think of.
Your entire argument basically assumes you have any idea as to what constitutes their implementation process, and how much effort x feature takes to implement. Of which I’m fairly certain you know nothing about (and neither do I, which is why I would never make an argument based on it like you’re doing).
You have absolutely zero foundation for knowing what is a “big” or “small” change to Blizzard. None. Nada. So how can you even begin to work this line of thought?
A change is a change is a change.
If you change something, there’s no “nuance”. A change is simply just that, a change.
There’s no “kinda change” or “almost a change” when it comes to recreating an experience.
So regardless of how badly you want to make a comeback to this argument, sir #allchanges, this is a binary scenario.
Just because you refuse to give a binary answer to a binary question doesn’t mean the question is nuanced. It just means you’re a coward who can’t give a straight answer.
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Now that binary position would be fine if you weren’t hypocritical enough to be okay with some changes.
That position from people who are honest about #nochanges is fine, even if i don’t agree with it. But if you want to pretend all changes are the same you either have to be okay with all or not okay with all, and you aren’t.
We have plenty of idea.
Being a tank or healer has benefits and downsides, just as a dps does.
But healers and tanks can still change gear around and do a decent job of solo content without needing to respec.
My hunter on the other hand has no option to be a tank or healer.
Tanks and healers CHOSE to be a tank or healer. With all the benefits and downsides that comes with. They can CHOOSE to respec when they want and change their gear when they want, or be less optimized for specific content.
They have the option right now. Dual spec doesn’t change that, it just reduces the gold cost, and in turn the playtime needed to respec. If you want the best of both worlds you have to spend gold.
You’ve literally argued that it isn’t fine a’la “all you have is #nochanges”.
Basically implying that this isn’t a good enough argument. Not just simply that you disagree with it, but that it’s actually invalid.
See, this is the hilarious part, you can’t seem to see how you are the one missing the nuance.
I would consider myself a #nochanges person, in general.
However, changes have been made, so I am forced to determine which changes I am OK with, and which I am not. The only alternative is to immediately quit the game.
Changes being made doesn’t invalidate the mentality of a #nochanges perspective, it just forces the person who is #nochanges to either reconcile or don’t.
Luckily, I have mostly reconciled with the changes already made (as I’ve stated before, the boost is still almost unforgivable, given the harm it’s caused that we’ll be dealing with for the entirety of the expansion).
There’s no hypocrisy here. It’s simply -true- nuance.
You can’t be granted the same leniency.
You want a change without any idea (nor do you even care) about it’s overall effect on the product. You just selfishly want it to improve your own experience (or your friends, doesn’t matter). Given that you want a change like dual spec, you need to justify why tri-spec (or retail-spec) is not on the menu. You need to justify why LFD, LFR, or literally every single feature added up to modern retail WoW is not on the menu.
At some point you need to hit a wall, where something is not on the menu/possible to be added.
Once you reach that point, you ask yourself: “Why couldn’t dual spec be a/the feature that doesn’t/couldn’t get added?”, and then, maybe you might actually start to get it.
I won’t hold my breath.
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You clearly didn’t while writing that wall of text failing to explain any actual problem with dual spec.
And many who might tank or heal think the downsides out weigh the benefits and choose not to tank or heal. That contributes to the tank and healer shortage and is one reason it’s so hard and sometimes impossible for dps to get a group. Dual spec would help lessen the shortage and help dps find groups
Is 1st thing we don’t have 51 talent points We have 61 2nd of all there is a huge difference between the type of freedom I’m talking about and the type of freedom you’re talking about.
Obviously there needs to be some limitations What I’m saying is there’s nothing wrong Is some player choice there’s a very big difference that’s why I say I’m 4 duelspeck and not for and not for Tri speck.
You’re using the most ridiculous examples on top of it yeah obviously if you’re playing a paladin You’re not going to have access to mage skills
And obviously you can’t kill the players in your own faction That would make no sense what I’m saying though there’s a very big difference between Is duel speck in all the ones that you mentioned.
One is reasonable And the other ones that you are saying are not Now don’t get me wrong what I think it would be hilarious if all of a sudden they gave us 10 extra talent points right now oh yeah it’ll be hilarious.
But would it be good for the game no I absolutely assure you it would not be So don’t compare duel speck It’s just because I say player freedom and choice to absolute chaos.
There’s a big difference
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You claim to have explained the “reasoning” why trispec wouldn’t be difficut to implement that admit you know nothing about what constitutes the implementation process and would never do it. Your lack of logical consistency is so extreme you can post that without any feeling of cognitive dissonance. I only skim your posts for the humor.
I would love this to help my raid out
Some people can’t allow the hard realities to intrude into their fantasies because these realities if acknowledged will dash their hopes, burst their bubbles, cramp their style, threaten their agenda, thwart their plans…
If they had to confront it in a real response to you it would painfully obvious that their agenda becomes impractical and unrealistic and then they cant belittle and troll you afterwards. 6k posts about nothing for weeks on end. Denial is a hell of a drug.
The longer something takes, the more hoops you have to jump through yadda yadda - the more repression the more epic your quest. Simple stuff. Gaming 101.
Almost every player suggestion is to nerf the investment in some way and there’s no end to it - ever. You nerf enough things, you gotta address every system so one doesn’t become “a waste of time” in comparison. Next thing you know youre sitting in a Garrison after another prune asking yourself why you are making your Netflix bill $15 a month higher.
Go back to retail.
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Right except in the case of dual spec people want it for things they would do on the side and that they are otherwise simply logging out and not engaging in the game world at all. People aren’t asking for dual spec so they can hit 70 faster, or to down a raid faster, they want it so they can do some BG’s arenas’ or do a dungeon raid in an off spec.
People being in game playing is what makes an MMO PRG an MMO RPG, MMO RPGing 101.
You are still trying to push the lie that dual spec is some type of fix for the tank shortage I see.