And that’s another lie. I have posted numerous times that dual spec will not fix the tank shortage. That’s why I find it a waste to talk to you. You repeatedly distort, exaggerate, and lie about what I and others have posted.
Right dual spec is more restrictive than what is in retail.
Not sure what confuses you about that.
You based entire arguments around the fact that the two could not be compared.
And now you’re using retail as a comparison here:
You’re really something, Ziryus.
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I never said the two couldn’t be compared. They obviously can as they are both talent systems. Dual spec being less restrictive than one spec but much more restrictive than retail specs.
I said they weren’t the same, which is guess what, true.
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You could simply quote from one of your earlier posts where you said you accept the argument that dual spec was removed 2 expansions after Wrath.
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Keep grasping at those straws!
I know it’s tough to keep a consistent narrative when you barely pay any attention to the words you type, but you’re wrong again.
Irrelevant in the context.
You were trying to argue that Ghostcrawlers words on flexible respeccing didn’t apply to dual spec because retail spec is not dual spec.
You, yourself, excluded dual spec from the umbrella of “flexible respeccing mechanics”.
Meaning this statement:
…puts you in direct contradiction with yourself.
Embarrassing for you…
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It’s so cute seeing you futilely try to understand something more nuanced than exactly/completely different
Haha, caught being a hypocrite but it’s not because you literally contradicted your own intentions within your words, it’s because “Zipzo doesn’t understand nuance”, coming from the guy who was given an innumerable number of arguments for why they don’t want dual spec only to say that those arguments are “just #nochanges”.
Absolutely, filthy rich.
You can’t make this up folks, this is prime time entertainment in the form of a WoW poster meltdown.
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If you’d actually been paying attention you would have noticed GC talked about a wide spectrum of possibilities for specs ranging from no respecs at all such as D2, through completely free form respecs like retail/D3. With both vanilla and dual spec being in the middle somewhere.
But I know that is a little much for you and your binary view of any topic.
Nope! You can’t wiggle out of this one! You’re done, bud!
a little while later
literally implying that the two are interchangeable in the discussion of flexible respeccing
Absolutely delicious, mate. Nobody can take you seriously, at this point.
What happened to you chiding us for saying “go back to retail” because you claimed “retail doesn’t even have dual spec”. What happened to you claiming that “nuance is just words that cover up #nochanges”.
You changed bro!
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So do you realize it’s possible for two things to have similarities without being the same thing?
Strawman, nobody is saying they are exactly the same thing.
#makeupyourmindZiryus!
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From 2007 Is we have changed as a player base Is and it only natural for the philosophy’s to evolve with the player base Obviously there are limits but it’s not like we’re asking for LFR here or LFD Is which by the way are not even on the same remote level as dual speck.
Is what dual spec allows and causes As people do have Is choice Is there’s nothing wrong with having a main speck and an Is mainspect And an off speck accessible to you on the fly.
This was the same argument Is or sain faction battlegrounds and the changes they did to drums enchanting and jewel crafting
all these changes were made Is to make the game better Is to make the game more enjoyable The question in my mind should never be was this true to this true to the philosophies or design ideas.
Because in the end That is in the classes And raids And dungeons How the attunements work Is there is a million different other things.
Is that are the core of tbc And again at the end of the day if dual spec let’s let’s just pretend let’s say that oh this killed kunkel x boss without dual speck.
How many Is bosses do you realistically think that would be cause I’ll be honest I’ve taught my head I can only think of Is 3 maybe 4 At the very very very most is most 7 and that’s including sunwell.
And there are all final bosses for the record kalthos, vash, iladin, Muru,kill Jayden.
Those would be the only bosses off top of my head I could honestly sit there and say Maybe but again if you can’t kill a boss without dual speck your probably not killing him with.
You argue this goes against the philosophy And again I say like anything philosophy’s change is this the exchange with the way your player base reacts.
Som is a really good example of this No granted I just kind of seen that being really hyped for maybe a couple months and it just dying but you know.
Depending on what they change how many people will actually play who knows but my point stands What did they get rid of world buffs, Experiences 40% faster from quests.
They made these changes because people complained about these things you adapt the product to the player base.
Obviously not everything However one of the things that we are playing tbcc.
We can look back and say what features worked and which ones didn’t Is dual spec most definitely was if not the best feature they put in the game.
Is plain and simple
It’s OK one no it wasn’t dual speck was never removed it was expanded upon There is a very big difference If they had removed the feature we wouldn’t be able to switch between specs At all without pain for it or going to a trainer.
They turned a duel speck into try speck Is depending on the class quadspeck That’s not the feature being removed that’s the feature being expanded upon.
Now yes technically you could make the argument we don’t have dual speck any more in the game the way it wasn’t wrath yes That’s also because the way the Is Classe’s work Are completely different Talents do not provide the level of benefit I in retail That they provide in tbc.
Now there are whole bunch of other reasons why that’s the case but that’s not the discussion
And for the record technically there is still dual speck in the game if you play a Demon Hunter But then again druids have Is quad speck so the way I see if that kind of even’s out
The point is it’s one of the very few features Has had the least amount of change And again Is the game is 18 years old At this point.
Now my scene every change was good no Is but what I’m saying is duel speck was the best one
Well he is #ziryuswantsallchanges
No surprise he changed as well when it’s convenient for him, because he wants any change that is convenient for him.
It’s the same thing for you The only difference is It’s changes that you don’t There’s no difference either way you don’t want this because you don’t want this.
And ignore the fact that it would be good for the game
That’s…false…
We don’t want it because there’s information that is verifiable that leads us to believe that it wasn’t wanted by the actual TBC devs, and therefore, is crucial to the experience of recreating TBC for it to not be added.
It’s not a completely arbitrary emotion out of thin air, 50/50, a coin flip just made us feel this way by way of chance.
The only reason you want it is what you said: you just want it.
We have reasoning beyond our own personal preference, you don’t, other than completely unverifiable claims such as “it will [help] fix dungeon forming” or “it will bring the game back to life”, which are not only completely not provable before it would actually be added, but there’s real world evidence in the form of actual historical fact (the main game’s lifespan) that opposes the veracity of these claims.
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Well except that those same devs decided to add dual spec du ring TBC based on issues being seen in TBC.
Sorry when was dual spec added again? You seem confused and I want to fix that.
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