Dual Spec.. please?

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I mean, I don’t think anybody does.

I think there’s a misunderstanding here.

The fact we don’t want something changed doesn’t inherently mean we think the thing we don’t want changed is perfect or even better the way it is. Your interpretation of the issue is off.

The game has seen many expansions, and every single expansion and every single patch has been in an effort to improve the game somehow. Some expansions and patches have succeeded in that, others with more mixed results.

So it is an obvious given, that is to say, a demonstrable absolute, that part of the allure of playing an older expansion is being able to get rid of many of those things that were added to game, all of which originally were added with the intention of improving the game. Literally every single thing Blizzard added to the game was in an effort to improve it, but by playing an older expansion, the natural assumption is that you will be playing a version of WoW that is without the newer conveniences of the later versions of WoW.

That’s rather the whole point, to be honest. To experience the game and what it was like prior to those conveniences, as helpful as they are.

We must have different ideas as to what TBCC’s purpose is.

I think TBCC’s purpose is to be a relatively faithful recreation of the original experience.

You seem to think that TBCC is intended to be some strange TBC sandbox where all the perceived “errors” in design of TBC are “fixed” to create some weird, custom fun-server-ey amalgamation of newer features on top of a TBC-backdrop, where the only thing being truly replicated is simply the level cap, talent trees, and the available raid content. Everything else is seemingly open game to be tweaked and molded to something completely alien to the original TBC.

So essentially, #ZiryusWantsAllChanges

I just…don’t agree with this…and it’s not what I believe I was sold on when deciding to pay to play it.

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You shouldn’t have to be required to level Is specific professions just to make money though either Is leveling fishing is miserable it’s the one profession in 16 years of world warcraft I can say.

I have never leveled nor will I ever level it It is the most boring profession I can level cooking just fine without it

Besides this is only one part of the argument which are trying to make a point of is You don’t have to grind mobs forever to make money that’s not 100% true not everybody is going to little fishing and cooking for one.

And too As I’ve said before it does not take you just 15 minutes To do the other dailies.

And not everyone has their epic writing and a writing crop either Especially if you’re a tank or healer.

Is questing is a nightmare if you’re either And so is farming Which is why I keep pushing for # dual spec

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So what you’re saying is in a nut shell You don’t like changes that in your mind alter the way the game plays.

And changes should only come in when they’re absolutely truly needed not necessarily wanted because any type of convenience and your mind takes away from that nostalgia feeling.

Because in your mind that’s the definition of tbcc.

I can kind of understand what you’re saying but it doesn’t mean I agree with it here’s the thing.

This dull speck is a feature that gives the player based choice And I think player choice is important in any type of game especially in especially in tbcc.

Because no matter what route you go pvp or pve Is you’re going to need the gear and speck to perform in that role.

And I think you’re kind of overest of me just how much dual spec is really going to change the game.

And for most of the player base It would be a good change I mean Is letting healers and tanks have an aspect to farm isn’t a bad thing.

Letting people that want to play PVP and PVE A little bit easier isn’t a bad thing Because like it or not throw a lot more integrated in tbc

And as big of a barrier as either side of the game is the last thing people really need as another one the gear barrier is more than enough.

People say Is will if there wasn’t the respect cause people wouldn’t have a reason to farm I disagree with that.

In fact quite frankly Is switching specs would be the last thing people would farm gold for there’s a million other reasons why.

Is one and the most obvious 1 is to stockpile gold if you ever need something And/or badges.

If there’s something I need or what on the auction house Your raid consumables It does very on the server granted but still.

Or here’s a thought If you ever make an alt Help him get some gear Is there is a million other reasons why people would have to farm gold.

The same is true the opposite right way If respecting to do something else is the only thing that they have to do that is not going to be enough to keep them in the game.

For Is most people There is always an exception to everything But if I have nothing to do.

And I know that all I’m doing is raid logging if anything that 100 gold just going to discourage me from playing because I’m farming gold to respect to try something different.

And on top of that I have to get another gear set for that character on top top of it no not worth it.

That’s just how it is Is plain and simple So that’s why I say and will continue to say #DualSpeck.

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Some are faster some are slower depends on the dailies given.

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No, that’s not what I’m saying.

I was fine with the feral energy change, and that altered the way the game played significantly, specifically for me, directly relevant to my main spec.

I don’t like changes that altar the dynamic of what I believe experiencing TBC is supposed to feel like, and one of those things is, in my opinion, not having the ability to dual spec.

That opinion is slightly guided by how TBC-era devs felt about it, and the fact that…original TBC never had it of course.

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So merely #nochanges

And with a healthy does of being upset people might not play the way you have deemed “correct” even though you could simply not use dual spec if you don’t like it.

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I don’t like changes that altar the dynamic of what I believe experiencing TBC is supposed to feel like, and one of those things is, in my opinion, not having the ability to dual spec.

That opinion is slightly guided by how TBC-era devs felt about it, and the fact that…original TBC never had it of course.
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So Not to be mean But basically what you’re saying because you feel that dual speck doesn’t Belong in tbcc Because you personally feel that it goes against of what tbcc.

Should be Whether it’s good for the game or not No offense when I say it like this but that’s just selfish.

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I did what I was asked to do and got insults and people still calling me a liar, of course this is the behavior to expect from clowns like you.

Dammed if you do, dammed if you don’t.

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How can I say in the exact same post you quoted that I was fine with a major change that significantly altered my gameplay and yet I’m #nochanges?

Obviously I’m fine with some changes. Just not #allchanges.

#ZiryusWantsAllChanges

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Cooking and fishing don’t stop you from learning other professions. They are secondary professions like first aid. Not primary like alchemy or tailoring

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It’s selfish to simply like the way the game is right now, today?

Is Blizzard also selfish for not having implemented it at TBCC launch, then?

Sorry but your logic doesn’t track.

You’re the one trying to change the game, not me.

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And that’s makes you a hypocrite as you will use #nochanges for things you don’t like but can’t come up with an actual reason against.

If you could articulate an actual reason against dual spec that would be great and I wouldn’t be saying that.

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It’s selfish to simply like the way the game is right now, today?

Is Blizzard also selfish for not having implemented it at TBCC launch, then?

Sorry but your logic doesn’t track.

You’re the one trying to change the game, not me.
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What I’m saying is You’re ignoring any fact that whether dual speck is good for the game or not You’re discounting that That’s what you’re saying you don’t care of this change is good for the game

Despite it Is not being in a good state Is our opinions vary on this obviously but like it or not I’m not seeing duel speck is going to necessarily bring players back however.

I almost would guarantee it would make people more active overall and to overall and at least increase PVP participation.

And although it wouldn’t solve the tank and healer shortage it sure enhack would help with.

But the way your wording this is like no it goes against what I feel Should be in tbcc

So that’s why I don’t want the change I don’t care if it’s good for the gamer or not it’s not what I want in it.

That’s what you’re saying

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Yeah you missed my point Leveling cooking isn’t completely annoying but it’s still a pain in the butt and leveling fishing I wouldn’t wish that on my worst enemy.

As I said in all the years of me playing World of Warcraft for 16 years that is the only profession I have never touched.

I think the highest I’ve ever gotten my fishing is 110 and that’s all I could stand It’s the most tedious and boring activity in the game.

Is that’s what I meant there are not a lot of people that are going to want to level that

5250

but…I already have…

You just disagree with all of them…which is fine, but that doesn’t make them #nochanges arguments.

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I love how I did what was asked for my claim and they still just turn it to insults lol.

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Sounds almost like, if he was going to lie, he would have actually given a different number.

lol

yeah.

He’s listed many reason why he personally doesn’t like dual spec. You don’t agree with them, which is fine, but you also act like they don’t exist, which is amusing.

don’t forget, fey didn’t ask for proof. they made sure not to ask for proof, they just wanted you to undertake a task, and record the data and compare that against your claim.

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5253

Honestly, to be fair to people advocating for dual spec, the reason they are seemingly aggressive is because they visualize us as opposition to something that would improve the game for them. They aren’t worried about the cost or maybe they don’t even believe there will be any ripple effect at all, they simply believe we are standing in the way (at least, ideologically, none of us can control what Blizz does) of them achieving their glorified change that they think will “save the game” for them.

What we want (to keep the game without dual spec) could potentially lead to them quitting because they didn’t get what they want, and they love the game, presumably, and don’t want it to come to that.

So, I get it, sorta.

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I don’t agree :persevere:, it would potentially result in me leaving the game because I’d no longer feel like I was getting the product I’m paying for.

You can disagree with that all you want, it won’t change that.

If you think by posting here in advocacy for it that it will lead to Blizzard will end up adding it, you continue to do you.

I’m just exercising the same right you have, to post here and voice what I do and don’t want in the game I play.

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I would love for you to demonstrate this.

Edit: Maybe you can put this 5k+ thread to rest.

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