Nah they know what they want, they want people to play how they have decided is the “correct” way to play and they have no real reasons not to add dual spec beyond #nochanges.
Now some people have been honest about that which is fine, but then you get others who refuse to just admit that and have to concoct these elaborate reasons why dual spec would be bad. Which shockingly fall apart under the slightest bit of probing, or are just nonsensical to begin with.
I don’t use flight paths, I have epic flying with the riding crop to fly directly to the destination, not wasting time with round about flight paths, a hearth stone set to shatt all the possible cooking dailies foods needed ready to go, an engineering teleport to blades edge mountains, and a fishing set of fishing pole, enchanted fishing pole, gloves with fishing enchant, and 100 skill lures that make the fishing daily fish up fast 90% of the time.
You are comparing your slow flyer speeds of finishing it to someone with epic flying, teleport machines, exc.
The teleporter and epic flying make a big difference in travel time, the severely enhanced fishing skill makes fishing up the daily items much faster on average, and having all the food premade and ready cut down time as well.
The longest fishing daily I get is usually the negrand one, and the longest cooking daily is the mana berries.
I am at work right now though so can’t give you an exact time on doing it. Today is my Monday. I also raid tonight and get home near raid time, so we will see.
Well, I think your attempt to convey the issue as black and white “#somechanges people support dual spec and #nochanges poeple don’t” is ridiculously reductionist.
It suits your argument to brush off nuance because your position is absolute. There’s no room for compromise in it.
Any attempt to find a productive path of discussion is reduced to an absolute value or called out as “wishy washy” or “contradictory”. But compromise is not contradiction.
Is it really so hard to see why an argument based on how things used to be or how things were originally designed might not resonate with some people? It’s all just #nochanges to them because it fundamentally doesn’t speak to their values.
Sure but if they consistently miscast and villify my own position - and personalise it with unproven accusations of dishonesty I’ll oppose that, strongly. Especially where some choose to take it into other contexts and not relate it to any actual claim I’ve made.
Feywaif and I, by way of contrast, have different values on this topic for instance. And we seldom agree as a result. It’s fair to say there’s even a high level of distrust between us. But the discussion between us has rightly centred around actual claims and differing views of those claims within this context. Entirely appropriate.
Well a lot of people don’t think TBC was a perfect game, lack of dual spec being one of those areas that could use improvement.
In short, how it used to be does not automatically equal good. And if you’re going to argue against dual spec solely on the grounds o that’s how it used to be that is indeed a #nochanges position.
I don’t think it was a perfect game either … Even though you keep saying I do.
It is plainly evident that there are some changes I support.
first off No I don’t do it on purpose And although I don’t prove freed everything I will atmit I do try to for the most part and was part and as I said.
It’s not like you guys don’t know what I mean and for the record if you say what I’m doing is just respectful and lazy.
so you going back in making posts just to mock me isn’t really At least I can say I’ve never gone out of my way to make fun of anyone on here.
No yeah If someone’s going to call me a moron I’m going to respond But Just because my spelling and grammar isn’t good.
Doesn’t mean I’m an idiot or a moron And it doesn’t mean that I don’t know what I’m talking about in regards to the game.
nor the topic Of dual speck
It depends on the individual Some people are willing to have a civil debate/ Discussion And some are very hard set on the concept that the right and don’t want to listen to reason.
But this is awesome the opinion of the individual as well Is any argument for any change you could technically justify is technically justified as whining or complaining that we want we want.
Just as the people that are for that feature could easily say the same thing and say you don’t want you don’t want
also depending on what that particular Feature is Obviously I’m for Dual spack Now does that mean I haven’t looked at the arguments against it no.
I don’t agree with them By any stretch of the imagination But I also have to admit this Is any argument for dual spec You could easily twist and make it into an argument against it.
Because the thing is with something like that the proof is in the pudding We are not going to know if any of these arguments will be proven right or wrong until it gets put in a game.
Now have I would imagine everybody in here at some point seen evidence of a positive aspects yes
immultiple scenarios however what we see as positive there are people that see as negative.
It’s just the way people are But it certainly doesn’t mean that there’s none outcry for it I mean look how long this thread is at this point 5000 and going.
If this has improved that there’s not at least an interest in the feature I at least think it should be put on the PTR for a test.
Indeed, and while I disagree with you you’ve at least maintained a more consistent position (albeit a values driven one) and been more respectful in discussion than many others.
I’d rather a well thought out respectful argument than an offensive and intellectually dishonest argument with perfect spelling and grammar.
My best mate irl is seriously dyslexic and it’s not easy for him. He’s a really smart guy too - except with the written word.
And I appreciate your input I may not agree with you for not wanting to respect in the game but I’m also not going to go down though down the road of disrespecting people either.
And I appreciate your compliment thank you
Which would be a totally valid position if you could make an argument against dual spec that didn’t end up at, that’s just the way it was.
There’s some changes I’m fine with and some I’m not, but I’ll back those choices up with actual reasoning not just fall back on oh that’s just how it was in TBC. For example same faction BG’s I don’t like because that has major long term impact on faction balance if you reward faction stacking. Whereas the changes being made for premades is a great middle ground, it should remove the toxic pug stomp meta but still allow premades.
So just did the daily cooking and fishing. Got the quests “revenge is tasty” for the bird wing and warp burgers, and the fishing daily the one that got away, for the negrand fishing. These are in opposite directions and it took me 10 minutes and 1 second to do these 2 dailies from the moment I picked up the cooking daily, ran to my bank, got the warp burger and got the fishing daily on my way to skettis for the bird wing (took 9 kills to drop) then flew straight to negrand water pool, fished 13 casts and got it then hearthed turned in the cooking one, then fishing and stopped the timer.
And my claim was it was doable in about 10 minutes. These aren’t aren’t slowest 2 dailies I could have gotten (negrand fishing and mana berries are the slowest option) but also not the fastest (negrand cooking and fishing same direction).
If I get the fasted cooking and fishing I can do use my engineer hearth to blades edge and finish the bomb quest before that 10 minutes is up.
So again, 2-3 dailies that require basically no combat and are doable in about 10 minutes. Just doing 2 of those 3 dailies will yield over 100g a week. If the cooking one requires combat and you are a healer or a tank and combat is slow for you, skip it and do the bomb quest.
Epic flying, riding crop, engineer teleport, and hearth make a big difference compared to just slow flying it all.
Wow, what a coincidence. You claimed 10 minutes and it took exactly 10 minutes and 1 second. Not only are you full of .,it but you’re bad at it. A more believable lie would be to claim 9 minutes 26 seconds or 11 minutes 14 seconds.
Do it! I’ll pay the 1k gold.
You’ve admitted you know it’s a problem. Yet you never fix it.
Tell me why I–or anyone else–should take the time to read anything you write when you don’t even care what it looks like?
Everyone should just flag this idiots forum posts as spam. His 2 digit IQ is just rattling around in his head.
Go eat some concrete you moron
One I’m not asking you to read my posts A form is just that right I’m here because I want dual speck in the game.
Because I care about the game no one’s forcing you to respond to my posts that’s your decision to make fun of me.
And I do care what it looks like had it ever occurred to you that maybe I just don’t notice it until after the fact.
And for the record I am getting better at read reading my post before I post them Depending on what it is but if you’re going to make fun of me yeah I get a little bit more hated.
So sometimes when I’m focusing on arguing or putting up a good argument but also while trying to make it not too short but not too long.
I’m sorry if my grammar is the last thing I’m concerning myself with when I’m trying to argue my point.
You seem to care more about the grammar than what I’m actually trying to say No one’s making you read my posts.
I make posts on here because I care about the game and I know and think that duel speck would make it better.
Along with a lot of other people And yes there are people that don’t want it But that certainly doesn’t mean I’m going to go out of my way to attack them.
Or make fun of them But I’ll simply say this don’t judge a book by its cover Just because my grammar isn’t great doesn’t mean my points aren’t valid.
Is whether you want to read my posts and response is 100% up to you Have you seen something I’m gonna argue yeah I’m going to respond.
If you go out of your way to post about me and to mock me just because I miss spell certain words or say them wrong.
which for the record not every single one of those was spelled wrong But at the end of the day whether you want to read my post is completely up to you.
Good because I’m not.
