Just re-posting this here for good measure.
You’re literally 100%, grade-a, fully incorrect about something, and you’re reposting a quote from yourself, giving your own opinion about how I don’t read what you write.
Interesting.
Like I said, invitation open to discuss our differences on discord. This arbitrary exchange where you’re just going for “gotcha” in every single post is boring.
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Declined.
You’re already convinced I’m incorrect anyway so there’s no point to discussing anything. Only point to discussion in any scenario is that it leads somewhere productive. That ain’t happening with you.
Yeah, that single point in Balance really makes or breaks Feral for PvP.
Got me there. 
Do you know why I modified my tree to flex towards PvP points instead of being full PvE feral?
Because I’m smart about how I build my character in a scenario where no dual spec exists.
Okay all this shows is you actually don’t know your class lol, this isn’t the winning narrative you think it is.
There are several choices to make filling out the feral tree, between PvE and PvP.
Your excuse is you need time to build your thoughts and type your words, yet you take less than 10 seconds to respond, barely read past the first line, quote it, and then proceed to make a fool of yourself by being wrong…
About your own class even, nothing gets by you.
Personally, I call bull, you’re just afraid to be put in a position where you actually have to defend your meager attempts at self-proclaimed victory through our interactions.
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Also, I disagree that it wouldn’t lead anywhere productive.
I find when two people speak to one another over voice, they gain a new understanding of one another.
There’s not been a single time where talking to someone over discord didn’t earn me a new friend, or allow me to understand someone 100x better if there was a disagreement in-game or on a forum.
I don’t really care. You made this comment:
And my only concern is showing people that this is a lie.
It’s funny how you imagine this conversation is one-sided, but I mostly do this for the benefit of other people reading it to know how much of a liar you are.
It’s literally not a lie, I’m not fully PvE feral specced!!! omg lol
You can’t just call things lies, when you have no way of even confirming if it is or not, or are completely refuted on your conclusion.
What do I have to do? Take a print screen of my talent trees? What gets through to you?
Which has nothing to do with what Fasc was saying.
Hence, you are dishonest.
You. Are. A. Liar.
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Morogrim doesn’t care if you have or have not added Nature’s Grasp to your talents.
You aren’t fighting any players during that fight.
So when Fasc says,
He is absolutely correct.
Putting one point in Balance to differentiate yourself from a standard PvE build is irrelevant because you are in a PvE environment and are doing Cat DPS.
You are dishonest. You are a liar.
Yes it does.
The original post he grabbed that from was trying to say that I’m fully PvE specced as a way to say that I have no skin in the game for dual spec, because no other thing in the game is important to me than raid logging.
Except this isn’t true at all. I specced specifically to be effective in PvP, and sacrificed points from the PvE spec in order to be able to BG effectively (one of my favorite activities on off-nights, Justicar on like 3 toons including this one).
I’m definitively not full PvE feral. This. Is. Not. A. Lie.
Do I perform well in raids? Yes, both in parse rank and within the context of my own guild, I guess it’s just an indicator of what kind of player I am, but that doesn’t automatically mean I’m full PvE specced.
The fact I’m not is directly relevant. I am affected by the lack of dual spec. In fact my spec is a direct result of dual spec not existing!
It isn’t just Nature’s Grasp, my dude. Look, more and more, I want to get you on to discord just to discuss your class with you lol, you have a lot to learn, my dude.
Fasc: There’s nothing strategic about being PvE Feral.
Zipzo: Technically I’m not full PvE.
Completely irrelevant.
Your response does nothing but try to be confusing and unnecessarily tangential to what Fasc was saying. This is why you are dishonest.
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IT IS RELEVANT.
You are being dishonest.
It’s DIRECTLY relevant. How I’m affected by the inclusion or lack of inclusion of dual spec, is the point Fasc was making, and the point is that I am affected by it’s lack of inclusion. I built my character around it.
I’d say you’re being dishonest, but truly, I think you just don’t get it. You’re missing the forest for the trees here, bud.
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No, you did not. You, in Fasc’s words, chose…
If anything, this is just another argument for Dual Spec because you’re admitting to gimping yourself more boss-killing utility just because you want to keep Nature’s Grasp or whatever else.
It’s not.
I like that I had to make personal sacrifices to better perform in other areas of the game.
It’s why I don’t want dual spec, because it’s a wonderful element of character building that was still there in TBC, having to make those choices to personalize your build.
Yeah, speccing into Nature’s Grasp indoors in a PvE environment is a great example of such a wonderful design choice that TBC gave Druids!
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Other talents I do not have that are typically recommended for full PvE ferals:
Thick Hide
Feral Aggression
Intensity
Imp lotp
I sacrificed those for PvP talents. It isn’t just Nature’s Grasp. Why do you keep saying this when I keep telling you that you’re wrong? Please. Kumasama. Please tell me why you keep repeating it even though I’m telling you that you are wrong.
I have never met someone who flatly ignores things being told to them so blatantly in favor of just repeating their previous incorrect ideas.
EDIT: Actually, that’s not true. I’ve argued with Trumpers before lol. Are you a Trump-lover?
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No you didn’t.
Because at the end of the day, you’re never going to do anything that intentionally and significantly hurts your parses in the PvE environ.
Okay, friend.
I sacrificed a 15% bonus to my FB damage, when FB sometimes is around 10% of my damage in my best parses.
This doesn’t effect me in PvE?
I sacrifice Intensity, which is a noticeable rage boost on pull when tanking, and doubles as effective mana regen over the course of a fight, something that all ferals without a consistent JoW-user will likely have to face in the form of action plans with mana pot usage, Staff of Nat swapping, using an Alch stone, or even innervating oneself in emergency.
This doesn’t effect PvE?
I sacrifice Thick Hide, which is a 10% increase to armor, the literal one form of mitigation we have to hit damage reduction cap, and so I am not like other bears where I can easily hit that cap, so my off-tanking is slightly worse than my “main tank” druid counter parts and could potentially create scenarios where I die easier.
This doesn’t effect PvE?
Imp LOTP is free healing you don’t have to think about in raids/fights with lots of AOE damage, that I chose to just not have. I often will be in a melee group, and it can contribute to melee surviving in situations where melee is getting damaged while range is not.
This doesn’t effect PvE?
You’re clueless, dude. You just don’t know your class.
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Hang on, I think I gotta let Fasc take this one.
I bet you do.
It’s laughable that you’d even think to take me on in a discussion about feral performance given the vast chasm of difference in our skill levels that is openly visible to anybody who looks.
/drops the mic
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