Cooking daily can be prepared before hand most of the time. Fishing daily is rng but if you have high fishing and use a lure it’s usually very quick, and then the bomb run daily. All of which can be done in about 10 minutes, of course mount speed is a big factor in this, but even with a slow flying mount you can speed things up with using flight paths and ground mount and proper use of hearth stone.
You refusing to put any effort into the game does not mean the game needs to be changed to meet your minimal effort and still give the reward of those who spend more time playing.
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You’ve admitted… you’re literally not even trying.
No I never said that once I’m not going to say I’m a Is grammar Expert And I’m not gonna say I prove read every single post I make down to the letter especially the really big long ones.
However I do my best To make it as comprehensible as I can And I’ve gone back and even edited certain post.
Just because when I 1st look at it it looks completely fine and then I look back at it again And I see oh that’s there I didn’t see that beforehand so yeah.
Yes I do Again That’s kind of part of my dyslexia sometimes I’ll look at what I typed and not realize.
That came out like this or that came out like that and I don’t realize until after I post it That’s why there are times when I do go back in my posts and.
Edit that No yes it’s not every single one however Most of the time it’s only dual spec I get misspelled and it’s not like you guys don’t know what I’m talking about.
So you’re going to hang on because I miss spell a word When I’ve set it several times you know what I mean when I say dual’s back.
I do most of the time And realistically 9 times out of 10 it’s 1 or 2 words that are misspelled it’s not like the whole thing is a mismash of words that don’t make sense.
Yeah OK so I’ll say duel speck Or miss pronunciate afraid but again you guys can figure out what I mean at 9 times out of 10 and because gently it’s a wow term.
Like when I say Oom You know I mean out of Manna.
Again it’s not like you guys don’t know what I’m talking about It’s not like the whole thing isn’t readable yes I miss pronounce our spell certain sentences perhaps.
But it’s not like You all don’t know what I’m talking about
Popper deserves all of the misattribution and abuse of his theories for his own abuse of the classics…
The only way to demonstrate this would be to continuously poll people and place the issue squarely in front of them in order to show that they are before we get to whatever arbitrary threshold “considerable” actually is for you. The statements made by Blizzard during and post-Dual Spec implementation were focused on the fact that people just outright ignored whatever graded resistance the respec costs were supposed to do, but they never posted up numbers or totals or anything.
In other words, this appears to be a useless avenue to pursue since we have no clear target of what “considerable” actually means. Further, why is “considerable” even required?
See above. In addition, why is “minimal objection” required?
This is an odd one because it is self-evidently true that Dual Spec has predictable outcomes. We have all of the Wrath/Cata data where talents were significantly stronger than they are presently (51pt talents in Wrath, just about anything deeper than 10 points in Cata) and content was significantly more tightly tuned and we had 10m sized hard raiding where spec choice had that much more of an impact on performance.
We also have the fact that we can simulate the actual impact of Dual Spec right now by… porting out, respeccing, and getting a summons back. Nothing in T5 trash (or later trash for that matter) hinges on any particular spec considerations since classes that can effectively AoE can do so regardless of spec, and classes that cannot have no option anyway. So if you really want to have a Warrior be full Prot for the priest add on Fathom-Lord, or you want to drop a Healer to a DPS for Vashj so you can maybe bull your way through her P3 shenanigans, you can do that right now, and people do.
The biggest impact Dual Spec had, past-tense, was helping to solidify being the cookie-cutter meta spec. By the end of TBC/Wrath, people weren’t really hanging on to weird hybrid specs anymore since it was well known that specializing for PvE or PvP simply got you better results. That being said, plenty of people still did the hybrid thing with oddball tri-specs and other silliness so they could just do whatever they wanted… sometimes quite badly… but still they got a bit more oomph out of every piece of their kit rather than only some of it. We know these people existed because they threw a hissy fit in Cata when you couldn’t go into a 2nd tree until you sank 31pts into a 1st tree, killing off tri-specs entirely and more or less making everyone be 31/10/0 or 31/0/10 if your goal was to be the first tree primarily.
Fast-forward to the release of Vanilla Classic and meta specs are basically all you had. Everyone rolled Fury-Prot, everyone was Arcane/Frost with a lone Mage having to bring Winter’s Chill, everyone was etc etc etc. You couldn’t just roll into a BG as a 5-min Mage and explode people as easily as you could in original Vanilla because gear was better, specs were better, and other classes could pull off the burst combo just as handily. The entire notion of someone being a “meta-slave” was bandied about nonstop in Classic and continues in TBCC. Had we still had a great deal of build diversity and no social push to min/max, Dual Spec would definitely contribute to destroying that… but that damage (if you want to call it that even) has long been inflicted on the community.
Now as for your rebuttals:
You don’t support why a solution has to have considerable impact to warrant a change. See: Alliance-only BG goodie bags for winning.
You don’t support that divisive is not worth doing, only vaguely reference commercial value. See: Store-bought content.
I completely disagree that niches are a bigger deal now than they were in Wrath, particularly because Wrath gave you the ability to roll in with every buff/debuff and hardmode encounters were designed around their presence, which made balancing a 10m raid team especially very problematic. Secondly, having a guild mandated Dual Spec is no more or less a negative consequence than current mandated meta specs. In both cases you’re being compelled to bring the “correct” build to the raid.
I agree, which is why I’m not too overly concerned trying to sway you. Aesthetic oughts are fairly silly since it boils down to red vs blue.
However, I dispute your personal heuristic because there are variables in place without support, such a change needing to have a considerable impact, or limited divisiveness, or significant commercial benefit, etc. Blizzard left the field pretty wide open as to what kind of changes they’re looking to make, with authenticity of design and intent being no longer the number one priority. Popularity, desire of the modern community, and feels right for TBCC were the only variables they handed us in their interviews.
None of this mandates you change your preference from red to blue, but I just don’t find it particularly interesting to add additional restrictions that Blizzard themselves hasn’t required. I’m sure if I wasted an hour or two looking, I could find a quote by some Blizzard rep that says something along the lines of “no problem is too small for us to take a look and address” customer service stuff. Given Blizzard’s history, they’ve definitely dedicated a lot of time and money to adjusting both major and minor things.
Don’t kid yourself, there is nothing strategic about being PvE Feral where you literally don’t have to make any choices between Bear and Cat and only have to “choose” what flavor of mostly useless personal utility you want.
During the Feral Energy fiasco, idiots on the Druid discord changed their name to my own, posted inane garbage, SS’d it, and then tried to pass it off as definitive nonsense I actually said.
Again… don’t kid yourself that you’re doing anything other than trolling people.
“I’m deliberately rude and abrasive on the forums but I’m super sweet IRL!! Promise!!”
Ah… the irony of a feral druid trying to claim that being able to perform multiple roles without visiting a trainer and paying for a respec has some huge negative impact on the game.
Whether you rely upon how the game was, or how the game was intended to be, if those aren’t actually different from one another, you’re making a #nochanges argument regarding that specific thing. These include variations such as “Dual Spec doesn’t belong” and “Just wait until Wrath” and similar dismissals.
If you aren’t relying upon either of these, but rather believe one of the following:
You believe it will negatively impact the game
You believe you will personally suffer as a result of such a change
Blizzard has no incentive to add it
Blizzard has other changes that should take priority
You are (at best) making an aesthetic preference argument, which isn’t really an argument at all. None of the above have substantial proof other than “I think” and “I believe” and “In my opinion” which is why they are aesthetic preferences.
At worst, you’re making an argument that is false but you’d simply rather not believe otherwise.
So whether it is aesthetic preference or #nochanges, in the case of Dual Spec, there is little to discuss. The only reason this discussion keeps going is because you and others argue facts not in evidence using rules that don’t exist, demanding we acknowledge and abide by both, or else Blizzard won’t/can’t make a change.
Without anti-DS folks making a well supported argument, none of us have any reason to treat your aesthetic preferences as more important than our own.
Doesn’t really matter what or how you do it. You don’t try to make sense of it after it’s been put into the box. You just hit send and assume it’s up to us to make sense of it. That’s lazy and disrespectful.
Yes you are. If you are sending messages to people without editing them for clarity, that’s completely on you and it’s on purpose.
I’m not specced PvE feral, though I’m not surprised you didn’t really do any homework on this front and just copied something the lvl 50 troll said.
Well, I wouldn’t pass off something that a small tiny minority of bad actors do as the whole community, but you sort of brought the stink on to yourself with how absolutely stupid your input was on that topic. Just like this one. Your opinion on what constitutes a “tank” isn’t far behind.
Everyone acts differently through the computer, nobody is an exception. You do too. I’m 100% certain you aren’t nearly as much of brick wall in a verbal argument as you are on the forums. I’ve been doing this probably just as long as you. That’s how people are.
This:
Is likely the real reason he won’t do it.
He’s at a disadvantage because he can’t do silly things like cherry pick quotes and make digs at completely irrelevant off-shoot points, he’d be forced to stay on topic and actually make substantive arguments in a verbal trade, he wouldn’t be able to sustain the way he responds on the forum.
Saying you won’t do it because I might “harass” you is the silliest thing I’ve heard, lol. And very “snowflake energy”.
Invitation is open to you as well Fasc, unless of course you are also afraid of the big bad Zipzo harassing you and being a big meanie
I do the cooking and fishing dailies and there’s no way you complete them less than 10 minutes let alone a third one too. You are simply the biggest bs-er on this forum.
