Your logic is “trying to solve RL starvation is way more important than Dual-Spec so can’t compare it at all” when the two are not mutually exclusive.
You’ve yet to point out exactly why Dual-Spec would be a bad thing, other than to say “It didn’t fix the tank shortage in retail” (it did help, even if only 1 dps decided to dual-spec into tank, that’s more than 0).
Nice attempt at Slippery Slope Fallacy there, except I never said that (or anything resembling that). You’re the one that brought up all the other retail changes and tried to use those to explain why we shouldn’t do dual-spec, lol.
You tried to use the myriad of other things done in expansions after TBC to explain why we shouldn’t do dual-spec because they “don’t fix the tank shortage” (even if they do alleviate it some).
You’ve yet to say a single word about why Dual-Spec itself is a bad thing, you’ve yet to explain why the merit of Dual-Spec itself, by itself, is bad.
All you’re doing is running circles around the topic without properly addressing all the pros that Dual-Spec would bring without listing a single con other than “it doesn’t fix everything” which is probably the worst argument you could attempt to make.
Exactly! Funny how the argument is how your analogy doesn’t work because you’re comparing two different things. Even though that’s exactly what an analogy is.
Forgive me, as you will likely just think of this as a copout, but there is very little to no motivation to hash out, for the nth time as I’ve done in this and the many other topics, all the ways in which I believe dual spec to be bad for the game.
At this point I’m pretty sure this type of request is a misnomer just to give yourself the opportunity to act like no arguments have been presented other than #nochanges, so basically, “the Ziryus method”.
You aren’t doing anything original here that we haven’t beaten to death already (successfully).
You’re free to peruse my post history, as you will surely find everything you’re seeking.
I’m guessing you won’t though, because you aren’t actually interested in dialogue.
Question: what’s makes you so special and important that it commands me to repeat another long drawn out post explaining the drawbacks of dual spec, again, for maybe the hundredth time? What makes you worthy?
Actually I could just copy paste from some recent ones I did…gimme a minute. Picking up my kid from school.
I mean, it’s kind of on you to explain yourself. I already explained myself and I shouldn’t have to go digging for yours, especially not when you’re attacking my posts.
I’m expecting the actual arguments to be some kind of kitsch thing about “I don’t like how people can just switch between two different specs on the fly, I can’t feel special as a tank and I don’t like how other people can be a tank without leveling as a tank or paying the gold when I had to go through leveling as a tank myself or paying the gold myself” or something like that.
Oh, that one is completely dishonest. Mostly because respeccing exists and has existed.
What’s funny is how in-depth the crafting this is as kind of counter-argument and when revealed how shallow it is, nobody immediately goes to saying, “Hmm, good point, I guess I should reconsider…”
No, they move the goalposts.
All the time, this is what happens.
These people are completely opposed to Dual Spec but they don’t know why they are against it and so constantly resort to looking up new arguments for why they are against it.
That sounds like a pretty good argument for it if you ask me. People want the raiding/Heroic/general open world questing experience of TBC Classic, but without some of the ridiculous time sinks because, you know what, we’re not 16, 18, 20 anymore. We’re in our 30s, 40s, and in some cases, 50-60s. We don’t have time for inane stuff that isn’t fun.
Nobody ever rated raids on how hard trash packs were to clear.
As if the ridiculous amount of potions and crap you needed for the later raids wasn’t enough of a gold sink. Oh, and repair bills too, lol. Finish SWP when it comes out and then talk to me about how easy TBC raids are.
I would argue otherwise – lots of group quests get skipped because nobody can find a tank for them.
If you think you can waltz into BT or SWP without farming… I got a bridge to sell you.
People wanted to experience the zones, the bosses, etc while they still feel relevant, people wanted to run Molten Core again at 60, Kara at 70, without all of the modern class design that broke the challenge of those old raids.
Even if you went in to Kara at Level 70 in Wrath, or Cata, or MoP, it was broken AF because of all the changes to class design. People wanted that raiding experience back before all the class design changes.
Dual-spec does not hurt any of that. You still got the classes as they were, the zones as they were, the instances as they were.
With Dual-Spec, you could get dungeons instead of sitting around for hours looking for that 1 tank or heal and disband and try again next day.
“I want dual spec in the game. It could increase tank counts, even just one would be worth it, and if we don’t more people could die.”
“I want to donate to starving people. It could save lives, even just one would be worth it, and if we don’t more people could die.”
Now if you wanna claim that one group doing a dungeon is the same as saving a life, that’s fine, but you need to admit that they are even, for that logic to hold up.
I really have no reason to. I’m here to point out that
“dual spec should be added to help tank shortages” is a bad argument.
gauze makes the bandage so stitches is another thing… you actually did reference adding in more things.
Did i say that?
ok then, sure. I’m totally not addressing the pros.
I don’t give to charity to help starving people though. I don’t think it will have an impact. Analogy doesn’t work for me.
in all seriousness, have you read through every post on this nearly 5000 long thread?
