It bumps the thread.
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Then at least the efforts are not in vain. 
Ah but according to Kuma:
You don’t actually have this kind of influence.
So what really are we all doing here 
@vieria
I’ll counter your points when I get to a PC.
No, you will just write a bunch of incorrect tripe, but at least the thread keeps getting bumped. 
Exactly - it’s not that we think it’s okay to have Tank shortages, it’s that we don’t think dual spec will help.
If you really care about tank shortages there’s three big changes that would, when combined, help.
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Adaptive stats on gear so you don’t have to use multiple sets for multiple roles.
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Role based talents with free form switching - like retail, not like WoTLK dual spec (which didn’t work IMO). People will mostly choose a secondary spec that offers them more personal convenience if given only two options - i.e. pvp, easier grinding, better meters padding. Not many people will be altruistic enough to use up their second spec on selfless pug Tanking in iffy gear.
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Incentive rewards for tanking dungeons.
These three measure will probably help (not fix) tank shortages such that tanking takes about as long to fill as it does in retail.
TlDR - Dual spec is not a silver bullet to role shortages. It offers only minor alleviation at best.
Of course we’ve made these sorts of points often and they usually get brushed off and then we get told we don’t have any points…
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Their stance is that the gold acquired doing normal, everyday things, is insufficient to let them do other normal, everyday things without concerted farming.
I think it is entirely reasonable for people to be more precise in their language. There is a lot of back and forth about this topic that often revolves around how and what we ought to do and ask for, so rules (or lack thereof) dominate.
If rules and standards were stated more clearly, we could pinpoint exactly what the break away point is between our positions. We both agree (for example) that bugs shouldn’t be there and Blizzard will address them on their own as well as based upon player feedback. What I’m digging for is where we actually differ, since we’ve come to different conclusions about Dual Spec.
As long as people offer up only vague or assumptive reasons, we’re going to end up talking past each other.
Absolutely! That’s actually the literal feedback Blizzard requests during Alpha/Beta tests. When I did Wrath Alpha and most of the mobs were just pink and black cubes sliding around, I still added feedback that wasn’t the obvious NEED TEXTURES PLEASE.
It isn’t necessary that there be a complaint, otherwise bugs and other things wouldn’t (or shouldn’t) get changed because no one noticed and/or no one cared. The state of the game is always Blizzard’s problem. That’s why we go to them for feedback and solutions.
Put another way, Blizzard is the only entity who has a duty to maintain, control, balance, change, alter, etc, this game.
In complete seriousness, Blizzard took it upon themselves to address problems like these as well. Ulduar’s release saw people making themselves sick pushing for World First Yogg25, which immediately prompted a series of subsequent changes to raid content until we got the more staggered/gated consistency that we’ve grown accustomed to on Retail.
It is their baby, so the game top to bottom is their problem.
Then the problem is they aren’t doing enough normal content.
I can farm 100+ of raw gold a week doing 2-3 non combat dailies a day. And those take about 10 minutes in total.
If 10 minutes a day is to much of a normal activity for them, that’s a them problem, not a game design problem.
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Except that there are plenty of people in this thread and most of us know people in game who have stated that they would tank if they had dual spec making it a viable option.
All of those changes are actually far bigger changes than just adding dual spec.
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It’s funny - just completing dungeon dailies and nothing else will net you enough for a respec. If doing dungeons is not considered normal (non grind) play time, and doing quests isn’t, then what is? Unless you’re a full time PVPer I really struggle to see how the cost is too high for those doing normal content.
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And I have seen people state if they get the first dst they would stay with the guild until wrath.
They transfered the day they got it.
And we’ve all also seen you lie in this thread 
Oh I’m sorry just be a blatant hypocrite.
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Sure - again the size of the change is not the problem for me (you say i’m for no changes and you’re wrong - change is fine, if it is justified) - it’s the nature of the change and the fact that I don’t think the results will be effective (or good).
If more change gets better results then do it. If you really want to fix tank and healer shortages then do something that will work rather than something we pretty much know won’t.
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You refusing to believe me doesn’t make it a lie.
Then again you are also the person claiming all points against dual spec are just #nochanges when it’s been clearly shown to not be that.
So who is the person who lies here again?
So what exactly happened to defending he purity of TBC?
And no, we do know that dual spec does indeed help.
Also ironically role based specs would be fine. If I could have a tank, a heal, a dps, a pvp spec that would be better than dual spec and I’m betting most people who want dual spec would be fine with that.
Here’s the thing Is is it going to fix the tanking shortage/hailer shortage no But it is going to help it.
Second I can only say what happened on my server but in wrath There was several people that tried healing and Is tanking including myself
Thirdly yeah in shadowlands you’re not comparing Is apples to even oranges here your comparing apples to German chocolate cake.
That’s like saying because I have a hardcore raider in tbc Is obviously I can just jump in and do that in cata
Yeah you’re jumping into the lion’s den if you’re thinking something like that You can’t compare tanking/dps/ healing Is in shadowlands to tbc.
It just doesn’t work So yeah I would make an argument Is if we did have to respect people would actually try it.
Not everyone But some people would and some is still better than none Does it fix it well now but it does help it.
By the way, most of the folks arguing against dual spec at this point don’t really know why they’re against it. It’s either that or they can’t articulate it.
Psychologically, I think a lot of this is just being driven by emotions. They’ve got an argumentative spirit, but there’s nothing behind it except, “This person disagrees with me so I need to find any way I can to make my position legitimate.”
It isn’t even about whether or not Dual Spec is good or not for the game. I think these folks just want to attain some kind of personal victory over the pro Dual Spec people in this particular forum.
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There you go again trying to misrepresent the argument as nochanges when it’s not.
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I’ve never defended TBCs purity. I’ve maintained that changes should try to maintain the design intentions of the game. That leaves a pretty broad scope of potential changes in my view. And if you can argue that something is broken due to modern gaming influences that didn’t exist in the past then I think that’s valid.
Be careful here though - I’m not saying I support the move to the Retail talent and gear model, I’m just saying that its an option if roles shortages are truly breaking the game.
Now, I don’t currently accept the premise that roles shortages are breaking TBC classic.
Again, it’s nuanced.
And I’d be fine with role based specs,
If I could have a tank, a heal, a dps, a pvp spec that would be better than dual spec and I’m betting most people who want dual spec would be fine with that.
Incentives for tanks/heals works but that’s once again a major change(and it would have to be at original Cata levels which made dps cry for it to really work)
Dual spec will not make a noticeable difference on the tank shortage. It didn’t for wrath, there is still a tank shortage in retail that has a dozen other changes trying to fix it.
I understand why you want dual spec, UT please stop trying to Trojan horse it in under the loe that it will help the tank shortage in any real way, because it won’t.