I get that you think you’re an expert on creating a spec that is mediocre at every thing. With your spec you can be a mediocre healer and still be a mediocre dps. But some players strive to rise above mediocrity and your spec isn’t how we want to play. But you do you. If you want to be mediocre at every part of the game go with that spec
Oh, okay then. So, this comment:
Is worthless because the “solutions” are subject to change.
Because #SomeChanges.
K.
Not really relevant as the ultimate source of any tuning comes down to Blizzard. The player’s problem is feedback, no more, no less. What to do with that feedback is Blizzard’s problem.
No one has stated that getting gold is bad. They have instead said that spending time just to get gold is lowest on their list of desired play. There’s a lot of daylight between that and “gold farming is strictly bad” as a position.
Literally no, that’s the position others like yourself are setting up as the opposite of your viewpoint. My position is that the mere existence of an in-game solution doesn’t take Blizzard out of the equation, see bug fixes, behavior adjustments, and a myriad of other changes to problems that also had in-game solutions.
You and Zipzo rejected the complaints as relevant to Blizzard because an in-game solution exists. I rejected your response on the basis that Blizzard often makes changes DESPITE or even BECAUSE in-game solutions exist.
In other words, your rejection that it isn’t Blizzard’s problem needs more nuance and context, otherwise it is incoherent with Blizzard’s standing behavior and policies.
As long as you recognize that Blizzard is not obligated to consider all player problems worth actually solving, I actually don’t think there’s a true disagreement here…?
You’re just hung up on semantics at this point, because reclarifying the exact microscopic differences in how we’re portraying your point doesn’t really change the end result.
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I’ve never indicated otherwise on any player set of complaints.
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Nobody has said otherwise.
Stop pretending like we have any power to shift Blizzard’s hand on this.
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I have a problem. I want to wear the mace that drops off Lady Vashj, but we always seem to run out of health before she does.
This isn’t Blizzard’s problem though. In fact, it’s intentionally manufactured so that I can derive satisfaction from overcoming my problem.
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Really bizarre how they feel obligated to say this over and over again.
“Oh woe is me! I am the victim of your request-making! Help me!”
faints on couch
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How does this make sense, at all, when the entire reason you are positing here is because you, in essence, believe you can get Blizzard to move on this.
Plenty of you have said, ad nauseam, repeatedly, that you’re happily bumping this thread in an effort to move the needle.
You clearly possess the hubris necessary to think you have the power to shift Blizzard’s hand. That much cannot be denied at this point without an extraordinary level of confabulation or revisionist history.
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See? Did I call it or what? 
I’m not…claiming the victim at all…I really just don’t understand your method of conversing with another human being…
Also you ignored the rest of the post (as per usual for you, so I’m not surprised, just pointing it out).
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So you’re hung up on the terminology?
Do you want me to edit out the word “club”? Would that make you read the rest of the post?
EDIT: I’ve done so, in a vain effort.
Nah, man, words don’t mean anything.
Fiddle widdle trickle toppins.
But the word in question that seemed to bar your consumption of the actual meaning of the entire post was just a figure of speech.
It wasn’t used to convey any sort of thought or complex idea.
Yet you are now going on 4 posts acting like it meant anything.
Let’s just reframe this, since you’ll happily flail about at this particular thing forever, and that’s not what I’m aiming for.
Reframing:
Nobody is pretending, this is something you and everyone else in here pro-dual spec believes and the very fact this topic exists, along with every single post in it speaking about how it is an effort to get Blizzard to change it, is proof.
To suggest otherwise, would be a near outright lie, if not a serious revision of how this topic has actually played out, and it would not take much investigation to refute such a suggestion.
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Yes you are. You’ve already said you think this will never happen a few times now and yet continually post here, thereby stepping all over your previous statements.
You also told Delimicus you’d stop posting if he did and then started back up again not even a few minutes later.
You continually shift to a #NoChanges stance to any changes unless they’re stuff you agree with and then you never establish a fine limitation to be set when asked.
You are a liar too. Continually cherry-picking quotes from 15-year-old posts and positing them as relevant to today.
You believe you have the power to change Blizzard’s mind, albeit with a large effort, such as a constantly bumped post. Care to comment on that instead of deflecting?
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You’ve bumped this post 170 times.
Care to comment on that?
Not sure how it’s relevant, but since I asked first, why don’t you comment on my assertion first, and then I’ll oblige the answer to your question.
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If they are logging out rather than making the gold they apparently want, I think it’s fair that their stance is that farming gold is bad.
why do you keep bringing up bug fixes? by their very nature, not intended. I didn’t think I would need a whole disclaimer that bugs are always blizzards problem.
I said many. if there was only one option as a solution, then it’s limitations can be brought into question, but there are many options, all of which seem to be “forcing someone to play a certain way”
Blizzard making changes despite or because does not make every complaint automatically blizzards problem.
this is not blizzards problem.
it’s not really. just because a complaint is made, does not mean that complaint holds weight, and thus is automatically blizzards problem.
the nuance and context comes from the complaint itself, the details surrounding the situation.
I would agree, that saying “well what about bugs” is pretty semantic.
fey wants dual spec because gold is a problem. gold being feys issue does not mean feys issue is blizzards problem, the nuance needs to come from fey.
something you would never do. right?
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