Dual Spec.. please?

You’re pretty well mistaken on my intention, it seems, which is odd because you’ve claimed to have a very good read on people. Just because I post in this thread at all doesn’t mean I’m “afraid” of dual spec being implemented.

Even though I’m also confident transmog wouldn’t be implemented in TBCC, I still could easily see myself posting in it, to argue why it wouldn’t be added.

Not everybody is you, not everybody does things the way you do, and that doesn’t make it wrong just because you don’t do it.

Also “sit on the forums all day”? Do you have any proof that I’m actually doing this other than the frequency of posting? Like everyone else, I possess a magical device called a smart phone, and I get bored and check it, and if I see something I have time to respond to, I do it.

I also type mega fast on phones.

If I’m on my PC, yikes, I type an average of ~115+ WPM when concentrating.

You can’t claim to know how I’m spending my day just because I post in a thread often lol. You’re trying to make it seem like I spend every waking moment obsessing over this topic when that’s like, not even remotely the reality.

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  1. It will change the meta. Guilds will start demanding 2 specs for raiding and most people wont actually get a raid spec and a pvp spec. Youll be required to show up to raid with 2 specs that assist with clearing the content as fast as possible.

counter 1 OK one I keep saying this This is only going to be the case for the top 20% Maybe top 30% Of Guilds It’s just not going to matter For the hardcore guilds yes sure But quite frankly oh no I have to respect in between trash Poles. If you’re in a hardcore Guild they probably don’t care. And I know because I’ve talked to those people.

  1. Removing people from daily dungeon/heroic rotation - Once enough people get their dual spec tree what incentive do they have to run daily content if they will most likely not need the gold. Even if they have their pvp spec and their pve spec, theyll likely log on switch to pvp spec. Complete some arenas and some bgs then log off until raid. Never needing to do a heroic or a dungeon because the gold requirement to respec is no longer needed. Thus removing more and more people from doing those quests daily.

Is this may surprise you when I tell you this And I can only speak for myself and the players I’ve run into nobody farms gold to respect You look on podcasts you look on so many other people they’re spending it on other things there are people that don’t even get their epic amount because they’re spending money on consumables.

It’s awesome generally the reason why your average players don’t get in to more than one thing in a while because the barrier to entry is so bloody big I have to get a secondary gear set and farm a 100 gold Just to try something different.

  1. This point piggy backs off the first issue. If they start requiring 2 pve specs for raiding youd still need to farm gold (which seems to be one of the arguments in favor of dual spec) to swap out your second pve spec for a pvp one. Thus not solving the problem you and those who are in support of dual spec were hoping for.

OK one just to clarify You’re saying the same argument here just rewording it Is saying it’s going to become Meta To have a second PVE spek Is is the same thing as saying guilds are going to require you to have a second PVE spec.

That’s the same thing literally you’re just wording a difference Which again I disagree with again it’s going to be the top 20 to 30%.

And again how many boss fights do you honestly think this is even going to be necessary for I’ll give you example I’m a Is pally tank.

Is now obviously I can’t think maiden because Is everything I do is a spell And her aoe Silence is me.

So yeah I’m backup hills I’m a pallie tank so they aren’t good but I can still help dispel Now if I had dual speck.

Does that mean my guilt is going to demand me to have a police speck no or rat no.

Now would I probably have A PVP spec probably Now is that optimal no However that’s my choice.

Is it gives me that choice to do so will it be required no Talk about rogues You’re still combat swords.

They’re not gonna tell you oh yeah we need you shadow step for this fight all the season is this fight all the CC that you have is still in your Core.

With warlocks OK you have one extra slow Is curse of exhaustion however the amount of DPS U lose probably isn’t going to be worth that 9 times out of 10.

Yes you start to get a little bit more of an options when you start to talk about healer’s pris healer’s priest Especially.

However do you absolutely need that to kill the bosses no So again Is with the hard corps people do it yes but most of everybody else no.

And you want no way I can say that It didn’t happen wrath Did the hardcore people do it yes Is your casual people no.

It’s just that simple

The whole every raider would be required to have dual spec is possibly one of the most blatant fear mongering arguments made that shows a complete ignorance of basic game mechanics and raiding.

There simply isn’t that much need for people to switch specs during a raid. Outside of a couple tanks/healers switching due to some fights not having the same requirements most people would have no reason to switch specs at all. And it’s not hard to understand why, your optimal raid spec is your optimal raid spec, availability of dual spec doesn’t change that.

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Um yes however If you’re afraid your dog is going to bite somebody you don’t bring people by it or you put up a sign that says beware of dog.

If your dog’s favorite color gets worn out you don’t get rid of the tag But you do replace it And I would disagree I think tbcc Is it meant to be a remaster.

I mean for the record to respect does not solve every single problem in the game I never claim that and I don’t think it well will it help yes won’t make the game overall better and more enjoyable for most of the player base yes.

It’s like the rank 14 grind And world buffs Were they in there originally were they good for the game no should they have been dealt with yes.

Yet there are still people that are in favor of them

I don’t know maybe because we’re dealing with 2 federal lawsuits at the same time and maybe because the team is small?

Just maybe it might have something to do with that

Well again it’s like I said that’s why I said the top is the top 20 maybe 30% But yeah I do agree with you.

I guess a better way to me to say that is if There is even a need to It would only be those top Is guilds.

That’s what I was trying to say

Remember this interaction?

You are obsessed with these Dual Spec threads. It didn’t even take an hour for you to break this deal. I’m still on for this deal if you are, we can start anytime.

Oh, there’s this too. I figured you said something like this, I just forgot:

Yet here you are… every single day in the Dual Spec threads. You’re either not confident (which means you lied) or you’re… drum roll… participating in the age old art of trolling.

https://postimg.cc/QF0ZvZwH

Right, it would only even be discussed in the sweatiest guilds and even then there would only be a handful of people using it.

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So “feeling quite confident” to you means “I’m so confident this will never happen to a degree of absolute certainty to the point that my motivation to discuss the topic disappears or is non-existent”???

Dude…that’s…that’s just weird lol. You have…a weird way of assessing people’s actions. It ain’t complex, I just like to discuss things.

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Yeah, that’s it.

:rofl:

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If anything you are the one that pulses troll-ish energy. You posted twitter/reddit polls as a gospel for why dual spec should be implemented in to a remaster of an old expansion. It’s beyond comprehension to us, but you legitimately feel it’s some kind of clean swish. It’s just odd.

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Yup, just your regular, every-day discussion…

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Because it should be I still have not heard a solid argument of why it should be implemented and each argument I have heard quite frankly his opinion.

Especially when I’ve seen the exact opposite happen Because here’s a fun fact Is spec switching really did not become a thing until mop.

Which is why they had to put the cool down on it And at that point classes were so different to what they were it wasn’t even funny.

Yeah, it’s beyond the comprehension of the few trolls on this forum. You do realize that my thread got far more upvotes than any thread against Dual Spec, right? You’re the minority here.

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Oh, I’ve constantly reminded people of this.

They say stuff like “polls don’t matter” while at the same time presenting nothing from their own end that would helps support any dissonance from Dual Spec support.

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Congratulations on the upvotes…

Not to steal your thunder but…upvotes don’t sway design protocols for expansions…

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I am sooo frelling happy that I responded right before he did saying something that coincides with exactly how I said people would respond.

The only reason I get bored here is because hardly anybody here who argues against me knows how to argue and those who do (like Fasc) are on my side.

Really makes for a boring experience.

Hate to break it to you bud but you’re not in Fascs league, either as a debater or a troll.

And I’m no fan of his.

But keep trying, one day you’ll get there… Who am I kidding, you just don’t have the capability. Too obvious.

Be better off if we all just stop trying to be “good arguers” and focused on simply making a good point.

Speaking of, Zipso’s rightly raised the good point that forum likes and popularity don’t automatically make for good design and the Devs probably take more into consideratiom than popularity.

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It’s not trollish to post a poll. It’s trollish to call people lazy and a sup par player. And then you claim I don’t know what a troll is. rotflmao

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