Gratz on 270 hearts, Xúxù!
If it’s not too much trouble, who is your main you play on for TBC Classic?
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What you don’t seem to get is that for most people managing gold resources means not respecing and not playing many parts of the game therefore playing less. That’s not good for a MMO. I managed my gold resources on my druid by specing dps, not healing, and not respecing. So when someone can’t find a healer or a tank one reason is because people like me are managing our gold resources in ways that make it harder to find a group and that hurts the game.
No, not solely, but many people do. That’s how some people manage their gold resources. Some people play the game for fun and fun is subjective. What’s fun for you isn’t fun for every one else.
By the way - you’re one of the people I had blocked - so apologies if your posts went unanswered. I’ve unhidden and gone over them and am pleasantly surprised that I think you’ve been one of the better posters on the pro DS to an extent. I probably shouldn’t have blocked you in retrospect. I think I mistook your occasional abrasiveness for a “tactic” and that wasn’t fair on my part - too trigger happy with the blocks. I still don’t agree with you mostly on this topic.
Now to this comment - you do have a point. I think there are different styles of players and some of them will avoid content if it takes more grind to get to it than they’re willing to accept.
However - this is where I fall back on the games target market and design intent. I don’t think a TBC based game is ever going to be satisfactory for the kind of player that will raid log or buy gold rather than grind respecs and time manage content. There’s just too much other similarly grindy gating going on that will also get protested about for the same reasons. Such as attunements.
Ultimately it is Blizzards call as to who its target market is for TBCC - but as we see on this forum, it won’t please all of them and if it pitches to an incompatible market it stands a good chance of not pleasing anyone.
I get that we will both fundamentally disagree on this point. Unfortunately it’s not exactly a provable thing without making the change and monitoring it.
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No game is all fun. We all weigh the fun against what’s not fun and make choices. The grind for respec costs isn’t fun for me and that outweighs the fun I might get doing PvP. So I make the most fun choice for me. Not grind gold for respec costs, not respec and not PvP. I would PvP if there was dual spec. Questing and farming isn’t fun for me in a resto spec so I choose to spec my druid dps. Because there is no dual spec I’m just leveling a druid for wrath when I get dual spec. I just get it to 70 and stop playing it until wrath. Then I’ll heal mostly and quest and farm in my dps off spec.
You do create smoke and mirrors. Here’s an example. First you claim:
Which is ridiculous. No one claims it’s solely because of dual spec. I guess you think that kind of absolutism makes a better case for you. Just a few sentences later you post:
Mostly is very different than solely. If you understood he meant mostly why did you first claim he meant solely, or vice versa? I think you’re a dishonest debater. You’re looking for a “win” in the debate in any dishonest way you can. That’s why I don’t want to talk to you at all. That’s why I’m really just using you to bump the thread
I personally wouldn’t want to be in a BG with someone who doesn’t like PvP enough that they won’t even grind a measly respec cost to do it, it probably indicates someone who isn’t very dedicated, and thus isn’t very good, and will likely just weigh the team down anyway.
In all seriousness, the lack of desire to pay such an easy cost does speak to what kind of player a person is…and those players are typically undesirable as PvP teammates…
Point being…you choosing not to PvP because of the respec cost is likely a good thing for everyone involved…
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That’s a fair distinction - though I don’t at this point think that poster (Ziryus) deserve fairness - the topic does.
I don’t think that was smoke and mirrors. I’ll concede that you are correct and I overstated the distinction. Not in an effort to deceive.
Idk I feel like every time I try to play fair I get mercilessly trashed for it. your side aren’t playing by the same rules as mine.
Do you concede it is fundamentally wrong to reconstruct a quote purposely to make it look like a contradiction? To brazenly lie? Not overstate but actually lie?
I don’t see you pointing that out but you’ll come at me for an honest overstatement of a point which I will willingly concede if made aware of.
So it is unacceptable and worthy of comment for me to say solely rather than mostly (incorrectly I admit) but it isn’t worthy of comment or reprimand for someone to doctor a quote to fabricate a contradiction and then gloat about getting away with it like so:
I mean this guy traversed thousands of comments doctored it and fabricated a lie on purpose. And I’m doing smoke and mirrors?
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What you don’t understand is that fun is subjective and what is measly to you might be very unfun for other people. That kind of narcissism is common. I pvp on my rogue and don’t pve with it for the same reason I pve heal with my priest and don’t farm or pvp with her. I’m considered one of the best healers on every server I’ve played on from vanilla to BfA to classic and BC classic but didn’t heal with my druid until wrath when dual spec was added. All your post showed is how self centered you are.
That’s complete bullsht. There are those who are fair on both sides and those who deceive on both sides. That you’re unwilling to acknowledge that and make the one sided claim is just one more example of your attempts to deceive.
There are but that misquote is pretty much a low. If you were being fair you would admit that.
I’ve not been dishonest even though I’ve been relentlessly characterised in that way. Every time I try to be fair I get exploited for it. So you can understand why I may be sheepish.
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I don’t follow every detail in every conversation other people have. It’s not my job to weigh in on and arbitrate every disagreement other people have. I don’t recall you ever calling out your side for some of the crp they post. I don’t expect you to and I don’t assume you agree with every argument every person who is against dual spec posted. Why would you expect or demand I do that for my “side.”
Okay that’s fair.
The response I replied to that you picked an inconsistency with was part of that chain where I got frustrated. It was an honest mistake and not smoke and mirrors.
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So if you can’t win an argument block the people who are arguing with you.
You’re right big win
And we’re going to keep going until 1 of 3 things happened wrath of the lich king dual speck he gets implemented.
Or blizzard releases a blue post saying it’s not going to happen
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Thanks for admitting that and I accept that it was just an honest mistake and not an attempt to deceive. Perhaps this is just a pet peeve of mine. I see people do it often and that’s why I’m extremely careful to almost always use qualifying adverbs and adjectives when I post.
I’ve read every post in this thread but some parts I disagree with my “side” and others considered inconsequential and just skimmed over without forming an opinion. I get why for you the disagreement with Kanshu was consequential but I never formed an opinion about it.
It’s like this. I think the red haired child is the biggest bullshtter here. You may have read the arguments between us, or just skimmed them with out forming an opinion, or you may not have even read them. Any of those options are ok. But even if you had seriously considered them and agree with me that he’s full of crp I don’t expect you to weigh in and call him out.
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I just don’t know why the idea that we don’t want dual spec is so offensive.
It feels a little weird how peopleconjure up so much passive-aggression or even outright aggression if you don’t also like the same things they like (and want to force on you).
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I appreciate that and take it in good faith. You’re right. I won’t weigh in on redhead because I haven’t seen him behaving in the way you describe.
I think the thread would be a hell of a lot better if we all agreed to not engage in personal attacks from here in. And that includes me and those I think have done wrong by me.
Clean slate.
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I just don’t know why the idea that other people want dual spec is so offensive to Zipzo.
It feels a little weird how Zipzo conjures up so much passive-aggression or even outright aggression if other people don’t agree with him on this one subject-matter, so much that he plays the victim and claims they want to force something on him just by making a request for it.
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272 likes after over 16k views.
Seems like a low percentage of the player base actually want dual spec. Considering it’s likes to viewed is less than 0.017%
Having more total likes doesn’t mean much if it’s liked per views percentage is FAR lower.
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Cool! Another bump by “Hidden Reply”
Thanks, guy!
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