Dual Spec.. please?

So?

How does trying to make the game resemble the original contradict #somechanges?

You make it sound like any attempt to make TBCC anything at all like TBC is a fundamental departure from #somechanges, which frankly is absurd.

The game is intentionally based on TBC - it is meant to be and it should be - whether or not you support some changes to the game. #somechanges is not some law that demands that TBCC must be fundamentally different from TBC.

#somechanges is not a counter to the position that the game should make some attempt to be somewhat true to the original.

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Wait, by saying this you’re basically proposing that we just do the 1000g, but we do in an incremental fashion.

In other words, we do 50g over and over again until we’ve done it 20 times. After the 20th time, Blizzard just gives us Dual Spec.

Brilliant!

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I find it funny it seems the only thing you can really make fun of is my spelling errors It’s a nice stick to what I said the rank 14 drawing in classic wow.

This is garbage I also find a funny using to cut out the part where I said even in interviews top pvp Players after they got done with it said never again.

And these are the type of players that get brought to Is blizzcon.

As I said all the changes that you listed up above aside from the paid boost I would be completely fined with in classic plus.

I would prefer Dulce back most definitely but No respect cost I’d take that as a compromise

Literally didnt say that at all.

He said

and i said

And i Quoted OP

Then he said

So hes literally not even making sense.
First “WHOS ARGUING ABOUT FARMING 50G”
Then i Quote the OP who is “ARGUING ABOUT FARMING 50g”
Then he says “YEAH 50G A WEEK IS PREVENTING PEOPLE FROM RETURNING”

Bro does this guy even read his own arguments?

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50g every time is different from 1000g one time.

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Yes, the 1000g once is the lazy man’s solution who can’t be bothered to play the game as it was designed.

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But apparently not having to farm gold iteratively will cause everyone to log in and play the game. When people don’t need to farm gold anymore they will all log in and stand around Shat switching specs over and over …

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But if dual spec costs 1000g paying that is playing the game as designed.

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'Xactly! :+1:

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Not as tbc designed. Nor does it meet the design goals of tbc as the devs of the time stated multi spec (which is dual spec) would go against the design goals of tbc and they said no to the feature.

The design changes of wotlk led to dual spec, but again, this is tbcc, not wotlkc.

Sorry, would love to have a conversation with you, but last time I show you how you were contradicting yourself, you said you were okay with it. Not sure how to go about having a conversation with you if up turns into down and left turns into right just because you feel like it.

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Utterly circular. Not even close to a strong argument.

If they added space flight to TBCC that would be as designed too … fact is it isn’t currently and putting it in would require a major shift in design.

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Right it’s TBC Classic not TBC, so if dual spec gets added using it will be playing the game as designed.

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It’s based on TBC. Call it something different and add new bosses if you want it to be something entirely different … the game as it is intentionally approximates the original and tries to stay somewhat faithful to the original game - though with provision for some changes.

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Exactly, but if your only argument against dual spec is that it’s not how the game is designed now then you have to be equally accepting that if dual spec is added that’s also how the game is designed and it’s perfectly fine.

Or just stop falling back on derivative #nochanges argument because you lack the honesty to just say #nochanges.

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Your strawman literally has noone supporting it. Your argument against #nochanges is literally arguing against noones position. Not a single poster is arguing for #nochanges.

For instance - I support the seal change - I think that was a good one. Also the changes to batching. Boom - your whole strawman and protestation that I support it is busted.

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“That’s not how TBC was designed” is just #nochanges with extra words.

Which you fall back on because you can’t provide any actual reasons dual spec would be a problem.

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No it’s not. Some - the word is some. It means that the game can be based on the original but some well justified changes can be made. To argue that changes should try to honour the original design intentions of the game is valid and not a #nochange position.

some =/= none
some =/= every/all

Your argument is that unless I support every single suggested change I am arguing #nochanges. Also your position boils down to claiming that any attempt to honour the original game design is wrong. That’s quite frankly either a dumb argument or a disingenuous one. Lol and you call me dishonest …

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I guess I get what you’re saying But if I’m being honest to pay on the faction I think most people would rather just get to revert he is thinking of all the good reprewards there are.

Is 50% of Guild’s really are you honestly thinking that let me ask you something how many bosses you honestly justifiably think people are going to need that for.

I mean sure the top 20% care about that stuff But just for people for regular parts a lot of classes are the same spec anyway.

Is if you’re a warlock wind a parse really hard Hey guess what you’re gonna be the shadow bolt’s Is spec.

If your a mage Your arcane If you’re a Warrior your fury, Shadow priest well your shadow.

Because realistically I mean let’s just take this here how many bosses you really need to have another speck for to clear weight none.

Before the tear I would have said The last 2 bosses in ssc,tk.

But considering people are already clearing it and the top kids did it in an hour yeah I don’t think it’s gonna be an issue.

Because indirectly unless you have a reason to why would you respect like maybe people would respect during trash and bosses I gueis chinbosses I guess.

But only if you’re in a Guild that really really cares about parsing You’re going to kill the boss regardless.

Is so yeah 50% of Guild’s yet no maybe 20% maybe And realistically I want to know the bosses that you think people really hard going to switch to respect for.

Because I can really only think of like the entirety of the entire expansion 7 and 2 of them have our even killed.

So yeah