When you hear people talking about how suddenly everyone would be switching specs every pull all you can think is that they are really really bad at the game and have no idea how raiding actually works.
It’s just so far out of touch with the reality of how specs actually work.
OK one Whether more changes are needed is in the definition or the eye of the beholder 1st off.
You say just because the changes that haven’t put in but you admit those are better for the game except for the paladin seals.
But you understand why it was put in so why is it you can’t understand the same thing with dual spec how’s that different.
Is as far as proof that dull speck made the game better Well I can only speak on my server but when Dulce Beck was brought in there was a lot of people including myself by the way.
That tried out tanking In fact I’ll be Is honest there was a lot Dungeon groups that win a lot faster.
As to answer your question why people in retail now why do tanks still have instant queues well that answers very obvious.
Is playing Anything In heck I would even say is early as catachism.
In comparison to burning crusade and wrath It’s like Night And The Great Wall of China.
Think of everything people have to do now you have to get specific ads ons you have to get set up your specific key pines not only that.
Is like it or not and this is something nobody talks about by the way people are is people are more of a speed running culture now.
On top of that I’ll say it right here and now it is so much harder to tank heel or dps.
As early As Is cataclysm in comparison to tbc You can’t compare Is retail to tbc.
I mean saying it’s a different world doesn’t even begin to describe how different things are classes like it or not are a lot harder to play in retail.
Think about how many things even all even say this as a tank Mechanically wise that you really have to worry about in tbc In comparison to heck I’ll even say a dps in Cataclysm.
Like it or not Retail is a harder game At least when we’re talking about dungeons and rates now I’m not saying it’s better necessarily but it is harder.
So you can’t say that well Dual speck didn’t change anything in wrath of the litchking well it did.
At least on my server it did I can only speak from my experiences But like it or not the game got harder after wrath so yeah that’s why.
As far as Is getting loot easier I never even talked about this and no one else has eaten.
Regardless to the point trying to compare tbc Is to retail is impossible to do there’s just too many differences.
You take a player who plays tbc Take that same player put them on a character in retail and they would be completely lost.
I mean not to be that guy but let’s be real here what we’re all doing 2 to 3 button rotations roughly.
It just doesn’t work plain and simple I want dual spec for the game because I know it’s the best feature that blizzard ever put in.
And yeah I will say that Better than Tri spec Or quadspeck Dull speck gave player’s choice.
Is everything else after that when you can do everything there is no choice Oh and one more thing.
Depending on how many times Even let’s just say you only have to respect once a week So that means in 10 weeks you could literally have saved up enough gold to buy your dual speck and be done.
Is rather than paying a 100 gold every single week You’re going to go past that a 1000 gold threshold really fast.
So yeah
No I’m really not What I’m saying is Is sure the people that really really want to push the DPS line.
Maybe those guilds might Have you switched specs during trash Poles But most of your average guilds Nobody’s coming to do it.
If there is a meta that Springs up We’re guilty of you switch specs in between trash Poles it’s not going to be a big portion of the player base.
You know why Because here’s something and let me remind you of Is something who are the really big DPS’s OA hunters and warlocks.
Is that both use Mana you know what happens when you switch specs your manipul gets reduced to 0.
So what you’re telling me is they’re going to tell you to have a separate speck oh yeah guys so make sure you switch His specs in between trash Poles while we’re drinking.
On top of that it’s got a 3 second cast So again how many guilds do you really think are going Make you do something like that.
That’s why I say the top 20% And how many bosses are even going to need it Because realistically if you cannot kill a boss without dual speck.
You probably can’t kill it with Because 9 times at 10 if you’re wiping it’s going to be the mechanics that are killing you.
But I would argue That dual speck is a fine change it doesn’t destroy the pure concept of tbc.
Again what absolutely is this thing that you’re afraid of you you have this fear it seems that this is going to be brought in and is in and the games going to collapse.
I hate to be the one to say it but it was not duel speck Is that destroyed the core concept of wow.
And something I say all the time when people hate on Is wrath.
Its was lfd,lfr Gear score And to also a certain extent achievements.
The way the achievements were handled Is and the emphasis on the game starting be designed away from the casual raider.
That’s the problem with the game right now it is designed for the top fis the top 5% and the bottom 5%.
You’re either so casual nothing you do in the game you’re going to care about or 2 You live eat and breathe the game.
There are needs to be a balance But anyway my point is duel speck Is not this massive departure away from tbc.
As you think in fact I would make an argument that the same faction battle grounds is more of a drastic change.
The way they reorganized arena was a more drastic change Now I’m not saying either one of those were bad but I’m saying it’s still a very drastic change more drastic than dual speck.
I guess people won’t change spec based on fight, like in such mages won’t be going frost for the extra CC and slows on the murlocks right? Then go back to fire/arcane for fights they just need to dps…
That’s one example where it would be used. You are clueless and ignorant if you dont understand certain specs are better for specific fights and would result in spec switching per fight with dual spec being added. The reason it’s not done much now is the time lost for going out to respec and getting back to the raid is typically not worth it. But with dual spec it would be worth it as almost no time is lost.
Spec changing wasn’t as big a deal in wrath because all the classes and spec were made vastly more similar in wotlk to where it didn’t matter nearly as much what spec you were. Simple example, SV hunter is the only hunter spec in tbc with good reliable trap CC. In wotlk the hunters spec doesn’t matter, all 3 specs have a 1 minute trap that won’t resist.
Tbc class and content design is very different than wotlk class and content design. Tbc is a bring the spec/class that best fits the role while wotlk is bring the player not the class. There was a huge design shift that made dual spec not as damaging to the game that was wotlk, compared to the effects it will have on tbc.
I see.
Its ok to disrupt PvP with an immersion-breaking change due to the time constraints of the complainers that wanted faster queues.
Now…if I make the same arguments redirected towards PvE in which my time constraints aren’t enough to run even one dungeon a day, can I then have something that’s a big game-changer like dual spec, LFD, etc.?
Find better groups?
Most heroics can be done in about 30-45 min.
If you can’t play that time at all, maybe you shouldn’t be wasting any time on video games as your RL is busy busy busy.
Ironic /char
Your change is for convenience to be optimal at all times. Nothing stops you or anyone from being pve spec 24/7 and queueing up and actually getting into bgs
Same faction allows people to just participate in a game. remove it and the number of people who can actually play long enough to play more than 1 match a day drops SIGNIFICANTLY
EDIT: at no point did i agree with the change for same faction. It was brought up by someone else in a comparison and i simply state that its not the same and not comparable
You mean…convenience? Way to contradict the statement directly above it.
I think its the exact same thing.
Do you also tell that to those that are for same faction BGs?
Not sure what you’re trying to say here. You can keep trying though, maybe you’ll make sense eventually.
Spec of the dual please required is now.
yes very good idea frends
It’s completely the opposite. In Uldar the meta at the top level was to show up to raid with two PvE specs. Sometimes the difference was as little as a couple of talent points. I switched frequently between Disc and Holy depending on the encounter. It’s not like I was switching every pull, I knew ahead of time which spec would be best for the given fight.
Even the PvPers were showing up with 2 raiding specs. When they did arena they would respec one of their specs for 50g just like we do now.
What makes a top player a top player is that they know exactly how to get max value out of game mechanics, including dual spec.
It’s OK you know what let’s let’s for the sake of argument say this actually becomes a thing.
Realistically it’s only going to matter for certain classes I mean if you’re that type of warlock that’s really pushing.
What exactly are you going to change even as a warlock tank it’s not as if you have to specifically is after specifically speck a certain way for that.
OK mages are Is frost and fire, Is arcane.
At the end of the day the absolute worst thing could happen How many bosses realistically are even going to need that.
That’s why I said If you can’t kill the boss without without dull spark You’re probably not killing him with.
Because it’s going to be the mechanics that kills your raid not DPS checks.
And again I mean realistically what happens OK you don’t need 3 tanks on this fight OK get a DPS set together.
OK your protection Warriors can offspect as fury At the end of the day I still just don’t consider this that big of a deal.
Because again It’s not like people are getting super blocked on these bosses And realistically even if that does happen the amount of good it would do in comparison vastly overwhelms The bad.
I mean I personally don’t want LFD But on the same end yeah you you put up a very good argument
But on the same man I would argue LFD would not be good for the game Now dull speck word.
Is but the automatic group finder yeah no I think that’s pushing things way too far Although you could kind of make the argument that the game is dying by still now.
I get what you’re saying though don’t get me wrong we wrong II know what you’re saying and agree with you but yeah LFD we just don’t need
I’m not actually sure what you’re trying to say there ?
This never changed. It was just made more convenient. People playing today can do this by just making a quick trip to town and getting summoned back.
Dual Spec isn’t a new mechanic. It is a streamlined version of something that already exists in the game.