No. He didn’t say “we” he said “they.”
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We didn’t?
I remember there being a shortage back then, but then again I pugged everything back then and this time around I made friends so I don’t feel a lack of tanks this time around.
No, it’s it’s pro dual spec people threatening that the game will die without dual spec.
No, the game set the limitation, the pro dual spec people are trying to force a limitation away because they don’t like it and are using the lies of the game will die without it to try and force their idea through.
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No, the game doesn’t set itself. Developers do that.
Sorry, but this isn’t an “idea.” This is something that the game implemented already. Nobody who is talking about Dual Spec just came up with the idea, it’s based on Blizzard’s game because Blizzard made it.
Maybe you need a time machine to go have this argument 15 years ago.
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what’s this???
Well this just makes sense.
Hmmm, that’s not what i said… and strange since.
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Basically, it is.
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I have never never never ever talked to is er talked to a single person in my 16 years of playing World of Warcraft that has ever said to mever said to me I enjoy farming gold.
It is either a indirect consequence of them doing something with their friends and the activity that they’re doing is fun it’s fun but farming gold could be an indirect consequence but 9 times out of 10.
If someone’s farming gold it’s something they have to do it has never something oh yeah I’d like to go farms and gold today no no it was always yeah I have is I half the farmers I need to farm this.
So yeah
Says the person that thinks the game is 100% OK the way it is when it’s clearly not.
And we’re not so rose tinted and so blind to that to see a good change for the game plain is plain and simple.
Not game wide Yeah maybe there was Is depending on your server more or less tanks thanks however it wasn’t a game wide problem.
Just like bots technically have been a problem since vanilla but it wasn’t to the scale it is now
And no we’re not insisting that the game will die without dual speck however it’s pretty hard to argue that the game is dying.
Hate to be one to break it to you but there’s a lot less people playing the game right now then was Is in vanilla.
No to dual spec
Instead, just reduce respec cost to cap at 25g. This is what the private servers did, and it worked.
Also make heroic keys only require Honored rep.
Won’t be enough for the noobs like the guy posting on his alt just above. Even if you give them reduced respect costs they’ll cry for stuff to be free after. You don’t negotiate with those entitled whiners.
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You’re right. Furthermore the argument you’re countering here is fundamentally flawed.
Stating that changes have occurred or that systems from later expansions have already been implemented in TBCC does nothing to counter your or my position.
We’re not arguing that a feature from a later patch can’t be added to TBCC, nor are we arguing that it necessarily shouldn’t be added. We’re arguing that adding such a feature requires justification beyond that.
So, dual spec being added to TBCC needs to be justified by means beyond simply claiming that it worked in a later iteration of the game and beyond simply claiming that other changes have already occurred. In fact these two things have no bearing at all on whether or not the feature should be added to TBCC. Each of those other changes can be justified on their own merits - as DS should be.
The contention that there have been other changes is a complete herring. So what?
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No dolce back would just be better it’s not just the gold it’s the flexibility as well for the record and the only way I would be OK with that is if they just got rid of the gold cost entirely.
I don’t know why you’re bringing up Is heroic keys but OK I’m fine with them being at revered.
And for the record it depends on the private server I’ve seen plenty of private servers some very well known ones that a good portion of time They will do dull speck.
And you know what from what I’ve seen the player base doesn’t really complain about it’s really complained about it so yeah
OK 1st things 1st yeah says the person who apparently is so rose tended and thinks the game is in a perfect state.
Is end noob OK yeah you’re right I’ve only played the game for 16 years I clearly have no idea what I’m talking about you’re right.
As far as me posting on my alt yeah you’re right because I’m not stupid enough to post on my main character yeah cause that’s a great idea get dedoxed by the player base right.
Thirdly at least I’m not so rose tinted to to pretend that # No changes Was actually good for the king it wasn’t.
And the changes that blizzard has made to the game overall aside from the boost has been good.
And because we see that dual speck would help the game’s problems maybe not solved but it would certainly help.
The thing is Is though we have we’ve justified it in several ways the differences are justifications the way we see them and the way you see them are different.
Is every single time I think of a change I always think what are the potential downsides and if I think the potential downsides are very minescule.
To the potential upsides yeah I’m going to push for that change This dull speck is a feature that quite frankly has very little downside.
And even the potential downsides of it would maybe affect only the top 20% of guilds if that.
And the arguments against it a lot of them quite frankly are in perspective Not granted so were the arguments for it.
So in a lot of ways it’s just kind of based on your opinion I have to admit that but that doesn’t mean I don’t think that Duel spack Wouldn’t be good for the game.
So you admit you basically dont know what the arguments even are anymore?
Because the expansions should try to emulate how they were in most fashions?
Damn you flexible reaching all over the place for that argument
Sounds like they did this in an attempt to alleviate everyone rolling BE-Paladin and forcing further server imbalances. I dont agree with the choice but i understand the mindset
Not sure what their reasoning is behind this but overall doesnt change the outcome of the game too much?
I.E. Dragonmaw which was absurdly broken so it makes sense that theyd implement some kind of nerf to prevent people from abusing a mechanic
Whether the changes are conservative or not, or whether there were many or few changes. Doesnt mean that Dual Spec has a place.
True. I meant from a general population standpoint not from a sweaty tier guild. Sure 5-10% might clear everything. But the mass population would be months i think
show me where its proven that it did? Because as far as i have ever seen in every/any iteration of the game where respecs were FREE and items dropped like candy and dungeons were made MINDLESS there was always a tank and heal shortage
Doesnt mean more changes are necessary
True but that just means 60% of their player base cant enjoy 1/2 the available content
Not my argument
Not really. More so that it seems like it was done in an effort to prevent further faction imbalance. Again I dont agree with the change but i understand why they did it. Also youre saying it like i was stomping in the forums demanding the change.
Every change thats made pulls TBCC further away from TBC. With the exception of a few.
But adding MORE changes just means it pulls it further away.
Not sure. I played only 2-3 and none of them had it.
So where are you going to find the time to farm 1k gold? If you cant even afford 100g a week?
No one is forcing you to respec to do different content. Its completely optional
Semantics
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I say heroic keys at honored because if you level an alt it’s difficult to find normal dungeons when everyone is only doing heroics. Thus contributing to the tank shortage. Easier heroic keys = more people doing heroics. I would also say get rid of attunement for Kara but they already did that.
Huh?
No. #SomeChanges.
The game still didn’t set itself. Developers did that.
Without dual spec the top 5% will do it.
With dual spec, we are looking at around the top 50% doing it to some degree.