Dual Spec.. please?

But then why did you say this?

It seem like you’re implying that there is a…

Right, which is why I said this:

I called you out on saying that before you said it and you still ignored it.

I mean, I’m just going to make the same argument about Dual Spec here. If I’m a player that doesn’t have more than X hours a day to play, then taking the time to farm the gold for a respec is just too long considering many of us have jobs.

Thanks for arguing for Dual Spec.

Not everyone cares about lengthy BG times either.

Without HvH, did the game disallow you from queuing for PvP? If not, then your accessibility is solely based on your choice to queue. Period. By definition.

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Again, your arguments are for something more convenient for you.

But maybe he can’t do that because…

That’s your quote. You’re telling him to take the time to farm gold while you’re saying you don’t have time for long PvP queues.

That’s a choice you make. It doesn’t meant the game made it for you.

The double standard is to allow for greater rate of PvP accessibility while barring the same for…well, pretty much anything else that gives the game a higher rate of accessibility. I see no reason why Dual Spec falls short of that category since all it does is save you time to farm gold and visit a trainer.

/shrug you seem to have mob wife syndrome, your perfectly happy and will vehemently defend your QOL improvement but you want to pretend that you hate QOL improvements.

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That’s exactly it.

The difference being you can still participate, and have fun in pvp while not being “optimal”. The existence of the optimal pvp spec isnt a barrier if you dont care about being optimal. I spent the first 9 weeks or so at level 70 in TBC as fury because i was still farming dungeons for materials for my Deep thunder. Guess what i still queued up for pvp (back when queues were only 25 minutes)

The difference being, I cannot play more its not possible, and that is the reason for many others for not participating in pvp when queues were high.

You CAN play pvp without respeccing. See how thats different?

I cannot magically give myself more time to play

You CAN just pvp as whatever spec you are

With that very rigid definition then by that same definition you dont need dual spec. Thank you

Well blizzards other solution to this problem would have been capping faction numbers per sever so imbalances didnt happen. Instead they chose to ignore and this was their proposed solution.

It was a sarcastic response because if youre ignorant enough to believe that “farming 100g per week is too tedious so that i can be optimal in both pvp and pve” then Rerolling your whole faction shouldnt have even crossed your mind in an argument

Again the difference being you can queue and participate in pvp without being any particular spec.

Blizzard cannot create more time in the day for players to play

Allow me to quote myself for the 4th time

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Long queue time also don’t matter if you don’t care about them either.

As you have said.

Just like there are some people who don’t have time to farm the gold for respec.

Or HvH Battlegrounds. By that very rigid definition.

You’re welcome.

So, you’re trolling me with sarcastic responses on a text-based forum rather than being straght-forward?

Sorry, but this is an alleged certainty fallacy. You can’t explain yourself, so you resort to calling someone else “ignorant” even though you lack the articulation to talk yourself out of your own inconsistencies.

You’re making the argument that you don’t have time for high PvP queues while simultaneously berating others for not having time to farm for respec changes. That’s highly hypocritical and selfish to assume Blizzard needs to make changes with regard to your unique schedule but not other players.

Fifth time you’ve mentioned this. Fifth time I’ve told you this is irrelevant. Just going to keep a tally at this point.

Sorry, don’t really care since I’ve had to quote myself several times already and you continually ignore them. Maybe stop ignoring what I say and actually make responses that show you’re reading what other people type first, yeah?

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Sure I can “not care” about long queue times. But that means I just dont get to play BGs

So then pvp as whatever spec you are

No im saying blizzard doesnt need to add dual spec just so people can play optimally all the time. Just play as whatever spec you are. Or find a hybrid spec that works for both. Both are entirely possible without the implementation of Dual spec.

What is my solution to 1.5 hour queue times for bgs? Please tell me

Why is it irrelevant? because its a hole in your argument that you can just play the game without needing to respec? thus hurting your argument and need for dual spec?

Pretty sure im replying to you practically line by line and quoting you but alright bud

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No. It does not. You can still queue and play BGs regardless of the queues. Unless, of course you choose not to for whatever reason.

Your choice to engage in what Blizzard gives you is your choice and your choice alone.

6th time. Irrelevant.

7th time. Irrelevant.

8th time. Irrelevant.

Nope. Was very specific.

You never acknowledged this. You continued with your non-sequitors even though I repeatedly said that wasn’t the topic at hand.

Even predicted something you were going to say and you still said it.

You’re clearly not invested in anyone’s words or opinions other than your own. You even want to tell me I’m “ignorant” when you don’t even read anything I write.

Waste of time.

Learn how to talk to people.

Ok so the queue is 1.5 hours. I log on within me 3.5 hour window to game. Sit in a queue for 1.5 hours. Get in one wsg then log off because i dont have enough time to play another game.

Next day I log on a bit late and another 1.5 hour queue. Match pops and its a longer match of WSG 30 min. Getting close to the time i have to get to sleep for work the next day. I afk out. I enjoy 75% of a single BG.

Why

Why

Thanks for elaborating. Proving my point that its a hole in your argument

So because i refuse to accept the terms in your argument which is nonsense. Its literally the most BASIC of BASIC concepts and yet you still cant understand how Asking for dual spec for optimal pvp and pve situations is requesting convenince
and them implementing HvH is a solution to players not being able to play content.

I literally cannot explain it any more simply. If you cannot understand that then its on you.

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Sounds very inconvenient.

You don’t even know what my argument is because you’ve failed to follow anything I’ve said.

No, you chose to engage me in conversation and you continually moved the goalposts when I called you out on your inconsistencies. I pointed that out several times.

You even talked about spending gold on Dual Spec (Goalpost #1) and then when grilled on that inconsistency, you started talking about PvP optimization (Goalpost #2).

Since farming gold for Dual Spec has nothing to do with PvP spec optimization, I have no idea why you keep bringing it up other than you realize you’re being inconsistent and so rely on a non-sequitor to shift the goalposts.

Your solution is to wait. You get the privilege of feeling like you’ve earned a rare slot in a fulfilling battle with the Alliance. As far as RPGs go, you’re on the warlike faction side that really derives pleasure from going to combat for blood and honor, but you can’t do that if you overwhelm the enemy with superior numbers rather than superior skill. So you wait your turn, patiently, gracefully, savoring the coming battle.

Or you get Blizzard to cater to your impatience and inauthentic personal wants and make it so you can go beat up your fellow Horde for the same rewards…

Ah yes stay up so i can get 4-5 hours of sleep instead and show up to work exhausted because blizzard refused to solve a problem every player knew was coming.

If you think that i should have waited. Then you should think the solution to your problem is to just farm more

Damn me for just wanting to be able to participate in the games content within a reasonable amount of time

He is just going to repeat himself, I reckon.

The fact that he said he was being sarcastic and is relying on alleged certainty rather than anything substantial basically tells me he has nothing but feelings.

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Your argument is

Sorry, but I’ve made several responses you’ve ignored. Not sure what you’re trying to do now since I established you’ve ignored me.

You’ve also admitted to sarcasm on a text-based forum which basically means nothing you say can be trusted now.

That and you’ve made an appeal to alleged certainty as a means of argumentation.

You’re just a bad faith actor. Not interested in a conversation so much as you just want to be right at any cost, even if it means being inconsistent and relying on non-sequitors as you shift goalposts.

This sounds like you were highly inconvenienced and rather than deal with the meaningful barrier… you wanted a quick and convenient solution.

This is called hypocrisy. You wanted your solution while denying other their own. So either we need to remove HvH and not have Dual Spec, or (based on your own rules) we should keep HvH and also add in Dual Spec.

Don’t be lazy and don’t expect sympathy for being lazy.

It is amusing that he’s acting like we’re somehow going to get HvH BGs taken away from him and succeed so that justifies him being completely sour grapes about Dual Spec…

This is where he moves the goalposts.

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In a fictitious world where players can ignore all other responsibilities yes eventually

Irrelevant

It does

The benefit of time to participate in content
Not the benefit of time to participate in content “optimally”

A poor one

Correct

This statement is correct but youre comparing
“I wanna save time so I can ignore some of the games content out of convenience”
vs
“I want to participate in the games content within the amount of time i have. I have no other options to speed up my participation in said content”
Does this…as you would say

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What if we kept HvH, added dual spec, AND enabled wow token for tbcc?

Everybody wins!

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