Yes it was about convenience. You could get what you want it would just take longer. And you don’t need a full pvp honor set, isn’t also one of the fun arguments against dual spec. You just want it?
The time saving feature you wanted was somehow magically just fine but not the time saving feature other people want. Totally no hypocrisy there.
Alright so let me explain this as simply as possible
Game without HvH: “I want to pvp”
Condition - You must queue up and wait 1.5 hours for a single match
Game with HvH: “I want to pvp”
Condition - You must queue up and wait 1 minute
Game with dual spec: “I want to pvp”
Condition - You must queue up and wait 1 minute
Game without dual spec: “I want to pvp”
Condition - You must queue up and wait 1 minute
Do you see how the REQUIRED things before and after dual spec dont change?
No. Nothing about what you described implies a requirement at all. All I see is that a change made things less time-consuming. In which case, if you’re implying less time consumption is a requirement, then Dual Spec fulfills that requirement.
YUou’re still not explaining how it was required.
You don’t the honor pvp set, maybe you just needed to get better at pvp.
Youre right I dont NEED the honor pvp set. The game was just originally designed in a way where getting honor pvp items was supposed to be obtainable.
Lets remove the fact that it was meant to emulate how much honor/gear you were supposed to get in original tbc
If i didnt have at least 2-3 hours of gameplay (depending on the BG) i just couldnt participate in said BG. Because if the queue was 1.5 hours and the match lasts a half hour or more. Now i need 3 hours to participate in bgs.
Whether or not youre specced for pvp you can now just queue up for the bg
Correct.
If you go to queue for PvP, this is something you choose to do.
If you go to respec, this is something you choose to do.
Without HvH, you are not barred from engaging from PvP. However, you are not entitled to a short queue time. HvH gives folks who believe their are entitled to shorter queue times exactly what they want. They get their BG either way.
Without Dual Spec, you are not barred from the act of respeccing your character. However, you are still required to find a trainer and pay 50g for it. Which, again, takes time and money. Dual Spec simply gives folk who believe they are entitled to switch between without all that hassle the opportunity to do so.
The items were obtainable. You just didn’t want to put the effort in.
It’s hilarious that all the arguments that have been applied against dual spec, “you’re lazy you should farm gold for respecs”, “you don’t need to dual spec just play with out”, “there’s others options”(you could have simply roled alliance) all apply to HvH.
But no totally not a hypocrite if you’re fine with hvh but not dual spec.
I wouldn’t call it that.
But I consider great video games to be works of art, no different than great movies or music. And as often happens with creators of great works of art, subsequent attempts to capture lightning in a bottle a 2nd, 3rd, or 4th time fail more often than not, and the result is decline and many years of vastly inferior works. Creating something truly great is rare, and it’s incredibly difficult to repeat and sustain.
That’s what happened with Blizzard to me. Vanilla was genius. TBC was even better. Then the decline started with Wrath, but it was still hugely popular because of fame and momentum, and Blizzard began selling out at this point to the lowest common denominator in an attempt to milk things for as long is it could. They are still milking it.
In Metallica terms, vanilla was Ride the Lightning. TBC was Master of Puppets. Wrath was the Black Album, a good album, but where they sold out to the radio/MTV audience. And everything that followed was Load, Reload, St. Anger, and Death Magnetic.
Correct im choosing to queue for pvp. Its part of the games content thats being offered as a focal point of the current expansion. If i CHOOSE not to queue that means i CANT participate in battlegrounds without a minimum of 2-3 hours availible
I dont have a choice between long queue time and short queue time. So waiting an hour or more is a requirement without HVH
Correct but you can ALSO choose to NOT respec and the amount of content thats available to you is not different.
Many player are barred from engaging in Battlegrounds without HvH. Requiring a minimum of 3 hours in any given situation is not something a large portion of the player base has
Correct. But all content should be available to all players. If TBC only had 1 mega server and EVERY player had to wait 2 hours to log in before participating in any content. Thatd be unacceptable right?
Youre also not barred from participating in BGs as any spec. Doing dungeons or Heroics as any spec. Or even participating in Raids as any spec.
Thanks for ignoring the second half of my post which i disregard the honor farm for the items and just point out how you needed 3 hours to even participate in a single battleground
Okay? And that’s different than needing however much time it takes to farm 100g how?
And of course also ignoring that simply switching to alliance would have been a permanent solution.
Yes… and as a result they created Classic, and TBCC, and will likely created WotLKC, and CataC, and…
You DONT NEED TO RESPEC. It is NOT REQUIRED to participate in a BG, or dungeon or heroic.
Ah so instead of waiting 1.5 hour for a queue i need to invest 15 days played instead. Seems logical
No, they sold out to the same people who had been playing since the beginning. The problem isn’t with Blizzard, not entirely. The problem is the Consumer.
I see Classic and TBC Classic as players saying, “We want to harvest by hand and plow by horse like we did in the old days!” And they say wanna do this because it instilled a particular work ethic, which is great!
And so they harvest by hand for a bit. But then they get tired of that after a while. Production isn’t as lucrative. Plus that combine makes things so much easier! And how about that tractor? It’ll be far more effective than those horses!
Do as you please!! Come to raid however you like!! Do be a Healer as a DPS spec! Tank in cloth!! The world is thy oyster!!!
He’s in the riger camp of show up with whatever spec and let others pick up your slack.
Show me where I said raid?
Nope im in the camp of 15 years ago we were all stupid kids and didnt even know how to spec “properly” or gear “properly” and we still cleared content
Oh I see… Raids are serious but everything else is not, other people be damned. How elitist of you…
Yes, everything you say here is true.
Correct. But if we didn’t have HvH, the same thing applies. Content has not changed. The only thing that has changed is the rate at which that content is readily available to you. Which, again, if that’s your working principle than that’s exactly what Dual Spec does. It makes things that are already accessible accessible at a faster rate.
That’s a problem with the players. Blizzard is not obligated to requisition their content according to any standard schedule set by players given the variety of schedules can differ from people limited to 3 hours a day to no-lifers who are on 24/7.
All content is available to all players sans whatever has yet to be released in future phases. Again, this isn’t a question of available content, it’s the rate at which the player is able to engage that content. In which case–again–Dual Spec is yet another solution to that.
Correct. Again, accessibility isn’t the issue here. The rate of accessibility is the issue here. You’ve brought this up two times now and it has nothing to do with what we’re talking about right now.
No my point stands that you can participate regardless of your spec. Whether or not youll be successful is a different argument. THe point is you arent BARRED from playing.
You could show up to Kara as 15 different specced druids and most likely clear it if you really wanted. Or even 15 different specced shamans i bet
Besides, noone carried me lol. I contributed just fine in a non perfect spec. Gear has more impact. Alright to be fair, the Pally tank probably carried all of us …