Hunter
Shaman
Mage
Spriest
Ret Pally
Feral Druid
Are all classes that can be fully pvp spec and still EASILY participate in a dungeon farm or heroic and still be very useful. Sure tanks and healers have specific builds for pve vs pvp as well as some other classes. But the majority of classes that have only 1 spec type (dps) can stay pvp spec and participate in pve NON raid content
OK 1st off Some of these you are just wrong shadow priest alike meant I don’t know super well so you may or may not be right thirdly.
Mage pvp Is frost, pve fier,Arcane so no.
As far as retribution paladins yeah no pvp 41ret,20perot. Pve 43,8,10 so ya no.
As far as shaman goes Again I don’t know this class super well and I know it’s super well and I know it’s somewhat similar however if you go into rating with the PVP Speck 1 Not only do you lose DPS for yourself however you also lose your group utility as well.
So combinably your Is rayed does less DPS in the group that you’re in so his friend so yeah Alice for enhancement.
I haven’t looked at restoration or elemental But again I’m sure it’s a very similar case they’re just different.
And as far as hunter goes That’s the one I’ll commit OK you got me on I can’t possibly see a really difference between those specs.
Your beast mastery or survival Take your pic.
But my point still stands The majority of people they’re not going to do something if it’s not optimal why what that’s the point to do some if you know you’re just gonna get crushed.
Let me ask you this you don’t see many arms Warriors in PVE now do you.
Just like you don’t see really any fury Warriors in PVP There’s a really good reason for that.
Is just saying
You can still DPS fine. I didnt say it was optimal or ideal but its definitely very possible and once youre out of the leveling gear and you start getting some better gear its easy to do more than enough DPS to do heroics as any of the class/specs ive said.
You definitely wont get crushed in a daily dungeon and heroics are doable as the specs i listed. Not everything you do in this game has to be because “optimal”
Hell i DW Full Fury/Arms Tanked every dungeon from 60-68.
I never said warrior was a class you could do this with. However I do see useful prot warriors in PVP when holding and defending nodes. As well as flag carrying so theres that
OK one I want to see you tank Is old hills Brad as arms fury.
Or shrek Halls The most you could ever get away with unless you have almost absolute best from classic or for that level.
After Manitou’s there’s no way those things hit way too hard yet OK ramparts, Is blood furnace you could get away with.
Is underbog slave pens Your healers need to be really good but you could get away with buthey with but after manitoons.
Is arcane crips, Is old hillsbrad black morass and up no.
I want to see the video that’s what I’ll say I want you to show me proof of this because I am sorry yeah you’ll hold threat for a couple seconds before you get destroyed.
Especially in a place like shrek talls with all the extra casters no way.
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Kind of telling that of course it’s a dps who thinks it’s totally fine to tank in a garbage spec and offload all the work onto the healer.
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He is talking normals, the place spell cleave was super rampant and still is…
Normals are extremely easy with competent players. The mobs don’t even hit very hard when it’s on normal so the healer won’t be very stressed considering everyone is geared now.
Heck a dps warrior in raid gear is tangier than a tank that was just hitting level 70.
And he’s not saying it’s optimal, just viable.
Yeah OK what I’m saying is Is when you are still leveling You’re not taking something even like normal shadow labs or normal old hills Brad.
As an arms fury Warrior No I’m sorry By that point things are hitting way too hard now yeah if you’re healer overgears the dungeon sure that’s something else.
But assuming you’re all at the same gear level and leveling through that dungeon no way like no.
Those mobs will eat you alive Is especially in a place like shadow apps which is not a very Warrior friendly place to begin with.
So yeah
Using class utility is amazing…
Mages, hunters, warlocks, rogues, priests, shamans, exc all have a way to reduce damage to the “tank” from slows, interupts, hard CC to things like scorpid sting can all make it doable with a non tank speced tank. The dungeon is only hard on normal mode if you are ubdergeared AND try to just zug it.
Using class utility makes it much easier and doable even without a proper tank. On normal mode. It’s why spell cleave became a thing for dungeon runs.
Frost nova, fear bombs, sheep, traps, stuns, exc can all be used to severely reduce damage taken and make the healers job easier.
Heck, doing this in heroics can make them a cake walk.
It’s when you are undergeared AND try to just zug that makes it hard. It is more than doable on normal mode without a proper tank.
It doesn’t matter, if you show up in a garbage spec as a tank you have made the run harder than it otherwise needs to be. Whatever tricks you try to use don’t change that, but once again I’m not surprised a DPS is totally cool with making things harder for others.
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You’re the one obsessed with being 100% optimized at all times.
And harder?
It’s a cake walk to begin with as long as your not doing heroic mode.
Easy to do at 20% harder is still easy.
Heck it could be argued that it makes it more fun as you aren’t half asleep dps/heal/tanking it because of how easy it is.
Normal tbc dungeons are as hard as wotlk heroics. They can be aoe fests with the tank not really doing anything.
I personally like using more than just my dps rotation in pve, if you’re the lazy player that likes to just zug zug with no thought involved that’s on you.
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Like I said I don’t find it surprising that it’s a dps that thinks it’s fine to unilaterally make that decision for the group. You probably also stand in fire then complain it’s the healer’s fault, same mentality.
Did you just make an argument about dual spec involve nationality?
I love this game but you people on here are cringe.
fury/arms not arms fury. It was more of a point that you dont need optimal specs to complete content.
I tanked LITERALLY every dungeon from blood furnace to OHF as Fury/arms
The first dungeon i couldnt tank as fury arms was BM.
In UB and SP i tanked it as fury arms (dual wielding) and even had druid healers that werent heal spec heal me LOL. Its all about the comp of the rest of your team as well as your healing just not being an idiot
I tanked MT and Sethekk halls as DW fury i dont remember if i was about to do AC crypts. definitely couldnt do slabs thought
I have a video on my YT of me DW fury Tanking in MT
Again i never said it was optimal I said it was easily possible. And i only had issues with healers 2 times when leveling complain. Everyone else said it was fine and that i even held aggro better than most other prot warriors.
Thank you
i LITERALLY tanked OHB as fury arms. I wish i would have recorded one of the many runs i did there.
I would do it now but i dont think it would get my point across as well because i have much better gear
I also tanked most of the leveling dungeons as fury/arms, although I was in Naxx gear, which probably helped. The first dungeon I tried to tank where I said, whoa, this isn’t going to work, was Steamvault.
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I love how the people claiming you have to be 100% optimized for any content you do are the ones demanding dual spec. They are the min makers, and assume anyone that doesn’t feel the need to be 100% optimized for everything must be bad players lol.
No I don’t stand in fire, I love how you turn to insults so easily, it shows how weak your argument points are. I watch the healers mana in fights and if they are struggling I’m one of the dps that will bandage myself when appropriate, I have saved my own life from dot damage before bybandaging for 2 ticks before the dot ticks again to live with 1% hp and then get healed.
Heck I have bandaged other people and saved them by that 1% hp before to give healers time to heal.
You are the bad player if you can’t clear content unless you are 100% optimized for it.
And the funny part is with your claims of people needing to be 100% optimized, then you turn around and say it won’t make people have 2 raid specs for raid if dual spec is added…lol.
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It is flatly rude and entitled to show up to a run in a screwed up, suboptimal spec, and expect everyone else to not only play above average to compensate for you, but to also go above that to do things like AoE kiting.
“Normals are easy, my group will handle it”
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yeah man, how dare you tank that dungeon. should have left them waiting for a real tank.
I’m sure they were super upset with you the whole time.
another tank would have come by in such a short amount of time. right?
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Well yes, yes it would! Because I would tank with my boomkin, heal with my elemental shaman. So just right there, 1 more of each! I also know several others thay would do the same. I could afford just fine to swap back and forth twice a week as 100g is nothing. But what is a pain in the rearend is gear, spending points, and bar swapping constantly. Its inconvenient.
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If they know what they are doing you don’t need to be perfectly optimized.
Heck, just having proper tank gear can let you tank a heroic, the dps just need to watch their aggro.
Same thing for healing. Having the gear makes you not need to respec as long as you are respecting the dungeons difficulty properly.
The fact your acting like you have to be 100% optimized for NORMAL dungeons shows how out of touch you are.
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Get carried by others because you refuse to carry your weight…cool…
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