No, dual spec would not help with a tank shortage. We saw the tank shortage continue in Lich King to current day retail, and every time they added more for tanks. More damage, easier play, more classes, more specs, more talents, more incentives, and there is still a lack of tanks, even in retail where switching to tank isn’t a matter of if you’re spec’d into it on one or the other trees, but is literally a button press.
How does it not help? If it even brings one tank or healer in who otherwise would not have done so it has helped.
Anyone who plays a hybrid class knows there would be more tanks/healers if there was dual-spec. I have no idea why people claim otherwise.
They seem to think that unless dual-spec leads to a tank surplus, it hasn’t made any difference.
If you want to get to the most mundane and technical, then yes, one person having a tank OS and tanking for a group is helping the tank problem.
It does not help the tank shortage in any significant way.
If I go piss on a forest fire, I helped, but not in any significant way.
Don’t try to get technical here for some cheap win, you know exactly what I mean, as I’ve said it before and quoted it again when I say that dual spec won’t help.
So priest is off the table for the tank problem.
Warriors are a dead class, if they aren’t prot already, they don’t plan to be prot.
Paladin is already more than likely prot or holy. Even Savix, and other notorious rets hate ret atm. I can’t imagine any significant number of players who aren’t ignorant or a true ret fan would be ret at this point.
Druid is a beaten player base. You know this, you’re a Druid. Cat is basically bear talent wise, Resto would probably OS Balance, and good luck convincing the space chicken after being a meme for 2 years, and is suddenly viable as a real spec to switch.
You’re also forgetting that most people raid log and would more than likely OS into a pvp spec.
I can give you, what, at best, 20-30% of each tank possible class OS’ing into tank.
So, 10s, maybe a hundred or so players are now in the tank pool, versus hundreds to thousands of dps. There will still be a tank shortage.
30% more tanks is a pretty big deal.
Dual spec does not bring DPS wait times in line with tanks or healers, but it’s very dishonest to claim it wouldn’t improve the situation.
It might help a little bit.
Shall I also suggest free gold for tanks at the end of dungeons? Would that help? A little bit
There’s a million suggestions that would help a little bit. Why are you so hung up on dual spec? It’s pretty obvious that really you just want it so the game is easier for you.
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Well blizzard could go the EQ route and just require a tank and healer to level and do any open world content.
30% of the least played role is not huge. Let’s say there is 9,000 players on a server. Each evenly divided for your sake.
1,000 Priests
1,000 Locks
1,000 Mages
1,000 Rogues
1,000 Druids
1,000 Hunters
1,000 Shamans
1,000 Warriors
1,000 Paladins
Now let’s say we divide it into roles, we have 666 priests healing, 333 shamans healing, 333 druids healing, 333 paladins healing for 1,665 healers.
We have 333 priest dps, 1,000 locks, 1,000 mages, 1,000 rogues, 333 druids, 1,000 hunters, 666 shamans, 666 warriors, 333 paladins for 6,331 dps.
We finally have 333 warrior tanks, 333 paladins, 333 druids for 999 tanks.
Standard composition is 1 tank 1 healer 3 dps, so 999 tanks are taken, 999 healers, and 2997 dps.
If we took 30% of the dps who can be tanks, to tanks, we have an extra 100 paladins, 100 druids, 200 warriors.
So now we have 1300 tanks.
So now we have 1300 tanks taken, 1300 healers taken, and 3900 dps.
Still got about 2k dps tank and healerless, and that’s an optimal, everyone is on, and everyone is running instances.
30% increase to tanks is not much.
I’m not in favor of dual-spec. I just get annoyed by the cognitive-dissonance of these people who claim it won’t make a difference.
I want respec costs reduced to 10g. Which is something I’ve been advocating for since before Classic even launched. Here is my oldest post on these forums. From December 2019…
You clearly are hung up on dual spec if you’ve been talking about it since Classic.
Take the hint, it ain’t happening.
Wait.For.LichKing
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Ok, let me reword it. If I piss on a forest fire, get my friends to piss on said fire, and throw in a free bucket of water, we still improved the situation, but not by much.
dps queue times in LK were still awful. I spent 20-40 minutes in queue at the height of this game with all the benefits of LFD.
Dual spec is not going to magically make tanks appear AND want to tank the instance YOU are running.
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I’ve been arguing against dual-spec for two years.
Here’s your middleground,
When you go to the trainer you can switch to the spec without needing to re-click any of the points back in, it’s just a saved “build”.
If possible, make the action bar profiles unique to each build as well.
Still have to go to the trainer.
Still caps at 50g.
Best you’re gettin’ from me.
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So dual-spec except you can only switch at a trainer.
Sure, and it cost 50g every time.
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Then it is trash that literally no one wants. That isn’t a middle-ground for anyone.
I mean it’s better than what it is now, right so why not.
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The best for dps queue times were honestly in Cata when there was dual spec and the satchels for tank/healing when they actually had real rewards.
Will I tank for a pug for a chance at an epic mount/pet(that might be boe), heck yeah. Ah well DPS complained so much about that it got nerfed.
It would save 30 seconds for people who always switch between the same two specs. But it would solve no problems whatsoever.