A PuG… making sure you’re the right spec… oh please.
Pugs in Whitemane check your builds and deny or kick based off that fact. Because these pugs are GDKPs… They dont want slackers unless you are a buyer.
I want the same thing you want but dual spec isn’t the problem. PEOPLE ARE. Classic community has been plagued by ego since 2019 and no change in sight unless community regulations are actually applied and enforced.
Banned GDKPs is a first step to this end of meta only and egotistic groups or guilds.
Next step is to regulate the auction house for scams and overall marketplace manipulation from gold buyers. This happened in 2020 when 1 dude on 1 server bought out ALL crafting material for high end crafts/endgame consumes and held prices for these hostage until the market went up and he cashed out making a profit of others frustration for supply to raid.
Well dual spec might not make the problem worse, but I see a route where it does make it worse. I don’t want to take any chances because parse culture is already ruining classic. Every decision that’s made in the game should help fix that problem, not potentially make it worse. So I will always fall on the side that best works against parse culture and mandated resumes for easy content.
I’m sorry dude but there is no way you can do anything about parsing culture. This has absolutely nothing to do with the game itself and everything to do with how gaming has changed since 2004. Adding dual spec is not going to make it any better or worse. The people that like to raid at max efficiency are going to do it regardless.
I think they should try to find some compromise between dual spec and the absolute ridiculous gold sink it is to change specs into healing or PVP as a hybrid in classic. I would like to see some kind of gold cap but that’s just my opinion on it.
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Id just simply run my own PuG then, the fights are from 2004/5… you literally make a party and fill it up and kill the boss.
Well I’m not concerned with their gameplay. More power to them. My only concern is pugs. And right now, they’re fine. I can get into any raid with a destro pvp spec. Filling 40 mans just based on class needs is time consuming enough. But with dual spec, it is much more likely that even pugs will demand sim specs since most people will have them readily available. Getting sim specs and your class needs will be about the same time spent. So I’m not willing to risk the change.
Classic is about building a character and specializing it based on what you like most. You can also go the route of making a hybrid that can do fairly well at multiple different things. I understand this isn’t for everyone. But this is era.
Im sorry… but
If we are to assume a Dual Spec releases the same way it did in 2009. It would cost 1k Gold. Not everyone is going to automatically be expected to have that in the first few Phases… and by the time the raids have a simulacrum of difficulty and people have had plenty of time to dual spec, yeah Id assume PuGs might want to have you in a Spec, but that’s no different than without Dual Spec…
I mean I agree with you for the most part. But an overwhelming amount of people want this change. That’s why I’m willing to agree with a compromise of sorts. If they cap the gold amount for respeccing, The option will be more available but still not as game changing as straight up adding Wrath of the Lich King dual spec into the game. Let’s say they cap it at 25 gold. It’ll still be somewhat expensive but not so much that you just literally can’t do it here and there.
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I’m also not against lowering the cost, I’ll take anything really. But it still prevents people from just jumping into 1 or 2 BGs with their friends casually, which IMO is the main issue. If that issue gets smaller then great, but dual spec removes that issue completely.
I don’t think so. Tho I do think there are a lot of people who love fresh starts in wow that want to implement things from other versions of the game they like in order to make this one more interesting for them. But era shouldn’t be changed to accommodate mass tourists who just like fresh starts on any wow content.
This launch will be very popular. But the overwhelming majority of those who start it will be on to the next fresh in retail or SoD, or whatever. They aren’t concerned with era. Just the fresh start in something wow related.
There was already a poll with over 4,000 responses and 80% of them wanted dual spec. That’s what I mean by overwhelming response. Now whether or not these are all era players, I really doubt it
But this is a server for everyone. It’s not just for era players. And era already exists
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It’s very easy to bot polls. And only a certain kind of person hangs out in echo chamber tier forums like reddit that proactively punishes dissent to whatever this common demographic’s interest is. We already see people jumping on alt accounts to make numerous threads supporting the idea here on this very forum.
I can’t really prove or disprove that. The no changes people are a lot quieter this time around. I have a feeling we’re not going to get anything else other than what’s already been said anyway
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Yeah, I’m not too worried about it. But still worth rebutting the idea imo.
People make things worse. You can add every counter measure to prevent someone from using a system to abuse others socially but you will fail 100% of the time because people engineer it in the first place.
This is why smaller realms are far better and have a stable enjoyable community vs the mega realms of cesspool and nonsense.
Take for example Minecraft. It has been min maxed these days with speed running and the optimal ways to redstone or anything inbetween. You give people a couple sticks, rocks and a log. They’ll use those things to make life for others horrible if given enough time. These people had over 20 years to solve and re solve Classic/Vanilla.
That’s why i initially said you’ve been living under a rock if you think dual spec is going to make things any more worse than they already are lol
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As you’ve seen I’m more concerned with finding out whether or not they are going to keep the debuff and buff limit at 16 just so I can plan accordingly. But if they cap the gold limit on respeccing I think most everybody would be fine with it. I think there are a few minor changes they could compromise on without altering classic too much. I’m a big fan of the LFG board
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Well that’s fair enough. I could be completely off base, and nothing would change. I’m just not interested in the risk, regardless. I understand how unreasonable this can look, and I wouldn’t be so hardlined if we were talking about Classic+. I actually want a raid and dungeon finder for that. But era is supposed to act as a museum, regardless of whether or not Blizzard has violated the sanctity of that promise or not.
From what I understand, they’re just eliminating it for HC… which I think is silly. Either do it for both standard and HC or don’t do it for both.
lmao what did i just read
I already know it’s you, crudlord.
It’s really weird for them to have it on one and not the other. If they weren’t connected, then I would not even really think about it. But their dead players are going to be coming to our server, so it really doesn’t make sense at all to have no debuff limit on one where they will be playing it one way, and then a debuff/buff limit on the other one after they die… how confusing
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