Dual Spec addition discussion

I sincerely doubt you are an engineer based on that comment. Or if you are one I doubt you have alot of experience with engineering.

When I worked with clients giving them what they asked for always ended up working out negatively in the long-run. It was more important to understand why they were asking for their device to behave in this manner rather than just take orders and make the changes.

Ask deep diving questions and get to the core of the issue they are experiencing and then finding the best solution to the core problem they have. That is why you hire an engineer for a complex job. If my clients just wanted an order taker, they could have hired a technician.

I don’t care if 100% of people want something or 0% of people want something. I want to hear the argument for it’s existence or lack-thereof based on it’s merit’s and I want to hear nothing about it’s popularity.

Every dual spec argument basically just boils down to it’s inconvenient for me the way I personally enjoy to play the game. I have yet to hear a valid compelling argument as to why dual-spec is mandatory.

What raidboss can you not kill without dualspec, what arena can you not win without dualspec, what mob can you not farm without dualspec.

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The majority of tanks and healers want dual spec so they can farm and quest with a dps spec.

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Based on your comments i am just not a junior developer like you. While you have a point about giving customers what they ask and the negatives of that. Ignoring your customers is absurd. They are consumers if they do not like end end product they will not use it.

Yes in fact in some cases you do not follow majority opinion because it has other negative consequences which most people do not see, that yet again in no way means you ignore their opinion. And if you read what i wrote it i never said it the only factor, but it is a major one.

And as it comes down to dual spec, we know the future consequences of dual spec are actually fairly positive based several years of expansions. You can even try to argue this point, but it sure as hell not catastrophically bad.

I don’t ignore my customers, I figure out why they are asking for what they are asking for.

Every single time there is usually a more simple solution to their problem that costs way less money and way less time increasing their profitability. If you are an order taker, you are not a real engineer.

I am glad get that concept, but you don’t get when and how to apply it yet oh young Padawan.

Tens of millions of generated revenue, retired in early twenty’s. Try talking down to someone else, junior cubicle dev.

You should be punished, for things like I get less crit with this or more haste with this


The consequences of you decisions should not be “I want to be competitive in PvP and PvE, so I can’t log in to PvP in between raid days” Any decision that deters you from logging in and playing the game is bad design.

Oh look
 another minty fresh alt, rolled out to make a new thread on this.

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Sure thing. While it is theoretically possible you are in fact stronger engineer as me, and what you say is true, which i highly doubt it personally. It is extremely unlikely, while i have not retired at 20 i am a staff lvl engineer at top tech company. Sure there are some people who are better then me, there is however not a lot of them.

10s of millions generated of revenue lets you retire at early 20 lol
 That is really not a huge impact for a developer, certainly not nearly enough to be considered a god and be able to retire as early 20. Only way you can retire in early 20 as dev is if you got lucky with start up, and has actually very little to do with your skill level (unless you are the one who started and designed it)

It’s a rational conclusion to think that the massive number of complaints and requests for dual spec in the BC forums had a lot to do with blizzard adding it in Wrath.

  • Why do you believe being competitive in PVE is even necessary when you can kill a boss as any spec / group composition?

  • Why do you believe you should be able to be competitive and both PVP and PVE?

  • Do you believe anyone should be able to gain a competitive advantage based solely off a decision they made in a batch of content.
  • Why are you limiting yourself to only two specs if that is the case? Their is a difference between aoe farm frost, and pvp frost.
  • Why even have talent tree’s at all if your prepostion is correct?
  • Why do you believe you should not have to specalize in a branch of magic?

Based off the information you have provided the most sensible thing would be to remove the talent tree entirely as it could be hinderance to any form of gameplay. Why should I not be able to PVP / AOE farm / Raid with as little friction as possible.

If Wizards were real do you believe you could be master of all elements grand wizard of all arcana? Or do you believe it would be more akin to honing a specific craft and specalizing the same as a professional sport.

Not logging in and playing the game is a choice, your obsession with optimization is the core problem and an engineering team can’t solve that problem. It’s a psychological problem that exists within you.

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profit sharing, investments, stock options.

The only way stock option give you ability to retire if you were lucky with start up, which has very very little to do with you individual skill. (not that being able to see a true potential of a company when looking for position is not an amazing skill)
Investments also have zero to do with development.

You can easily be miles better then me with financial planning, i am hardly a model here. But the fact that you use these “facts” to show you level as a developer does not speak well for you.

Same here.

I’m sure the amp says it goes to 11 (pserver people, YT vids etc)
but I wouldn’t fall for thinking you need dual spec. I feel for Druids a little, though, and you can always roll an alt. Unless there is a rush
and its an old WoW game
so
I guess there’s a rush?!?

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There are people who would tank or heal but those specs make farming and questing painfully unfun. I like to heal dungeons but I won’t on my druid. I don’t want to only heal dungeons but questing and farming aren’t fun in a resto spec. So I’ll go feral. I healed on my druid in Wrath when dual spec was added.

Yu not that stupid. It’s a solid point!

They aren’t real?!?! :o

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I don’t need to keep debating you on this, so this will be my last reply, and you can reply whatever you want because we are completely off-topic here.

Keep being a souless wagie for a tech conglomerate. I’m super jealous of you.

I’ve seen no evidence that is true. As a healer who leveled holy from level 1 I would love dual spec.

Respec is merely annoying it’s nit punishing us at all. You need to farm gold regardless for repairs, new enchants, gems, etc. there is more than enough to do a respec; especially if you’re looking to do some PvE and I know you will because not every slot can be had from PvP.

TLDR We don’t need dual spec; it’s a want not a need.

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The decision I’m making with my druid is not to heal because questing and farming in a resto spec is unfun. There are many who would tank or heal if there was dual spec. The consequence of that choice is there are less tanks and healers for everyone wanting to form groups for dungeons. I don’t see that as a good thing.