Drums are not the problem. You are

The people in those guilds are 100% not ok with being forced to take LW. They will do it because they have to, not because they want to.

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The people in those top guilds can’t care less with picking up LW and doing it. This is 10000000% better than world buffs.

Thanks and best regards,
A real player.

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No, they will absolutely take LW and not feel good about it either. It’s not fun or interesting.

Also, “a real player” is a bit of a weird thing to say since we all pay our sub and we’re no more valuable than the next person. Just because you play casually doesn’t mean everyone else does, and just because you face different pressures and make different decisions doesn’t mean something you don’t understand isn’t a problem.

Yes, we are.

A real player because I do play and I do intend to get LW. You on the other hand are not part of the players the previous poster just mentioned.

Therefore, you getting LW or not, we couldn’t care less.

But hear me: if you are going to play in a top guild, then you will have to do whatever they ask you to do, otherwise you will be kicked and good riddance. If you wanna just play with your friends, then play. You will be able to clear all the content without drums. If you struggle a bit (in Sunwell), no worries, as you get gear you will be able to clear everything. If even then you can’t and the difference is just the drums, ask yourself if your ego is bigger than your will to beat the game. Then let me know.

It’s almost like this is exactly what we were talking about and why we want the drums changed.

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gonna be wild where guild recruitment is actually going to have to say “require LW” or “we dont care about your professions”

Then you will have to ask them to remove the crafted weapons, because you will be asked to.

You will have to ask them to remove arenas, because you will be forced to do Arenas to get the PvP weapons for raid. That is right.

You will always find something that they have to change so you don’t have to comply to get into a top guild that is asking those things.

The reason is: you want it both ways. You want to play with the bests without having to compromise anything.

Why don’t you go play with the likes of you that do not want to have LW? You don’t need to wipe it off the game or nerf it. Just don’t use or require anyone to use. If anything, ban the usage in your guild / raid.

See. Your problem is resolved.

The top guilds are requiring LW. I don’t understand why people want to go to those top guilds but don’t want to have LW.

The just have to settle for a casual / any guild that doesn’t ask for it. Not hard, there will be hundreds of guilds in that situation.

yea im hoping this is the case. sometimes i read these forums and think damn near 80% of people think LW is a mandatory thing. lol.

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We rolled LW (after changing professions so many times during TBC) because we found it fun to do more damage and maintain the buff. We used fun macros around that and we laughed on Ventrillo talking about the buff.

There was one guy that even played the song of the Drums when he was drumming.

Nah, not hurting anyone at all. Stop being a cringey neckbeard. I truthfully hope they destroy drums.

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nether is world buffs but guess how that went!

World buffs are not the 1%. They actually increased damage by over 100%, doubling or tripling it. World buffs made you hit like a pool noodle to a sledge hammer.

Myself and most others dont want to have to bring drums, but as it is now you have to or you are hurting the raid

but you also probably dont get WBuffs and think that it changes nothing Mr. level 40 alt

Not my fault you subject yourself to this as opposed to advocating change from Blizzard.

Stay salty, sweatlord.

We already exhausted this comparison of World Buffs vs Drums. Please go back and read the thread if you want, or keep with this straw man.

Hurting how specifically?
Until Sunwell the game wasn’t tuned around having drums in the group.

Unless hurting you mean -> not getting top parses.
If you play for parses, then you cannot argue against drums.

The problem being posed is by casuals / non-hardcore players having to roll Leatherworking for Drums, which never was the case and never will.

So. If you want to elaborate how you are hurting the raid, please, do so.

Thereza, I’ll listen to absolutely anything you have to say when you quit dodging the question of ‘why are you too scared to talk about drums on your main?’
Drop the holier-than-thou attitude. lmao.

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Coming here with ad hominem just make yourself look like a fool in the eyes of everyone here.

It shows that you have no argument or can’t argue against what everything I just said, and you’re just desperate to attack me instead of just talking about the topic.

So, what it is? Do you have a honest opinion based on facts or will you keep attacking me?

My opinion is that your words have no merit because you’re STILL dodging the fact that you aren’t on your main. Why not?

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Your opinion is ad hominem.
Thanks for showing us that this thread is exactly about you - you’re the problem, not drums.

And you’re here just to attack the other person instead of being intelligent and arguing with facts.

I absolutely don’t care about drums, I agree with you on some points, I disagree on some points, but I’m not here to talk about that, I’m here to call you out directly for having such an aggressive stance on a level 11 and dodging that callout like that scene in the matrix.