I knew I was forgetting something, ty
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It’s desirable, but I think you’re overstating it. This is coming from a feral druid - the class that valued haste most of all during classic.
There’s a reason warriors weren’t using haste librams and haste to gloves. They had the option to put 1% haste to head, 1% haste to gloves, and 1% haste to legs but instead opted for the MUCH more expensive +8 str to helm, +8 str to legs, and +15 agi to gloves.
There is no doubt 5% haste is good, but it’s no bloodlust.
It also doesnt cost you anything and is probably needed for something ELSE in the tree.
On the other hand drums do have a cost. That being said i doubt they are done tuning them.
Couple reasons for that that don’t necessarily apply in TBC. For one, haste scales… so early on the stats had a bigger relative impact, but these days haste is generally better (than 8 str, 15 agi is always better unless you’re chronically capped.) And haste always simmed better, but it was fairly close so in practice the str tended to be slightly superior.
But the biggest change is haste scales really well with more haste. In classic haste is hard to come by. Its MUCH more common in TBC, which increases the relative value of every other point of haste. Spellhaste is also basically a new mechanic with TBC, and it can have a big impact since it can be the difference between getting your spellcast off before having to move or losing the cast entirely.
Drums, and haste in general, are huge in TBC. It’s the highest value stat for most classes. There was a reason people were basically just running it on CD for the harder bosses later on…
Some people are, but it’s not the general outcry that drums are receiving.
I think the point I’m trying to get across is that while I think drums SHOULD be changed, a lot of people are either unaware, or intentionally ignoring, similar issues raised by other professions.
I’ve seen people suggest that the LW requirement for drums should simply be removed. This removes the unique benefit of leatherworking. If this is what Blizzard decides to do, so be it, but at that point they should also also make the BS weapons and armor all BOE, the tailoring sets BOE, the ring enchants castable on other players’ rings, and all profession trinkets BOE.
Yea that’s nonsense I agree… Basically, it just has to be tinnitus… That ensures you still bring LW as the buff is still very valuable… but you bring 5 for a raid not 20…
Heres hoping… 
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I can tell you the main reason this happens. It’s quite simple really!
When you have a company that doesn’t communicate with it’s players well it develops this type of relationship with it’s players. Years of Blizzard just NOT listening to player feedback has people up in arms about anything and everything and I think it’s fair and warranted… The passionate players are just trying to make sure they get the game they want / feel is best.
I agree that haste is good, believe me. I just think a lot of people are overstating the effect of drums. It’s a powerful buff, but I’ve seen people acting as if it’s game changing or on par with being full world buffed lol.
Haste has a value relative to each class/encounter/individual player’s stats. This approximate value will be theorycrafted in due time. But it is by no means the be all end all of stats. Of course an extra 5% haste will help, but it’s not like using drums engages god mode.
I understand that. I really do.
But I seriously challenge you to list one single AAA company that does communicate to the level that an over zealous (we are all passionate, some take it way to far) player base demands.
They are throwing temper tantrums and not communicating with logic. And in the case of this thread, jumping the gun without ALL the facts.
There are several on these forums that are my diabolical opposite in opinion. Yet I respect them and can talk with them. And that is because they understand that communicating and not demanding works far better.
Nowhere in the end use license did it say Blizzard would tell us every little thing all along the way and/or check with us to see if its ok.
Can blizzard do better? Sure.
Can its player base do better? Yea
I’d say a full raid having 5% haste is a larger effect than your full raid having DMT or maybe even Ony since the latter doesn’t really impact casters much. And the issue is just how onerous the requirement is when you can reasonably assume it’s strong enough that a lot of guilds will “require” it… For full uptime across an entire raid you need 20 LW. That’s crazy, and makes the game less fun for any class or just individual who doesn’t want to be “forced” into a profession for one item.
Yeah, I think that’s the issue. It’s not that drums are so powerful as to break encounter design (like stacking fully buffed fury warriors did in Classic) but that it’s not really fun to require everyone to have LW’ing as one of their professions and then have to worry about a drum rotation.
I’m already a LW’er so it doesn’t affect me much. But I do think it would be bad to see everyone forced to take it. It also locks all the blacksmiths, jewelcrafters, and engineers out of having a gathering professions on their main and almost necessitates using gathering alts unless you want to blow all your money on AH mats that were likely farmed by shady means lol.
In a separate but related issue…I also think Blizzard should break swapping for buffs. I believe people have already confirmed that swapping warriors around groups for shouts doesn’t work, which is a good thing. I would love to see that swapping shaman around to feed BL/Heroism isn’t a thing either.
OSRS has a really good system set up for player feedback - Not sure if they are AAA but Respawn Entertainment also does a fairly decent job at removing things that the players are upset with and are damaging to the game.
Sure Blizzards doesn’t have to do anything, but I don’t think asking for a bit of transparency is too much to ask for? I hardly ever see a blue post on any of these threads
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Arguably it hurts you too. Nethercleft armor etc is a decent source of income for a leatherworker, but if everyone else has access to it that kinda goes away.
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I imagine the problem is once a CM says anything it becomes gospel and subject to the complaints of millions. Even when the CM and the devs are working closely enough that one has enough knowledge to even communicate these things, you can’t really just “workshop” stuff on the forums.
I’d imagine a big part of the reason Actiblizz has laid off so many people in that position over the years is because it’s hard to demonstrate that they’re adding value given the state of the environment they interact with. When they posted regularly (and even when they DO post now) most of those posts are met with a bunch of insults and complaints, often not even relevant to that topic. So if you’re gonna get 
'd on either way… you might as well not pay people money for the privilege.
I agree. It’s not too much to ask for and we should.
The issue I, and many who push back, is the completely childish way some go about doing it. They arnt asking for that, they are simply wanting to destroy.
I am not trying to make excuses for Blizzard, because I have left the game multiple times over the years from boredom or frustration, but even in the past they have had a SOONtm approach to everything. They often tell us things when they are ready.
They have given into userbase pressure from time to time and let out statements that didn’t line up with things that were still in development that turned around and bit them in the butt as well.
We both agree we would like to see more official posts. . Trust me. I go over them with a fine-tooth comb.
It’s just the community needs to keep some of these things in mind when making posts like this.
I will def jump on your side once I have more solid information from the beta testers on how drums are working for example. Right now, even the reliable ones are saying it’s too soon to tell.
Thanks for the respectful discourse Mojache, I do appreciate it 
http://www.worldoflogs.com/ registered - 2008-02-16 and is the site I remember using in TBC.
Warcraft logs seems to be a clone/copy service that was later sold and redeployed in 2013. Can’t really find the actual history as most of it is registered through proxy now.
We were definitely using WOL during Sunwell in TBC, at least most guilds on Tichondrius were, combined with wow progress which seems to be released to keep track of the Sunwell world 1st races.
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The site wasn’t actually available until 2009. Its possible you were using a similar site like WWS, but it wasn’t WOL specifically.
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True for them 99s and 100s, but to even be above roughly the 65th percentile in classic you need world buffs.
I don’t care about the top 1, but I’d like to not be below average because of a LW item. Again I like pvp more and I’m going eng/bs for the weapon and gimmicks for BG/wpvp, but I see how drums can get out of hand from a social context.
Also I don’t think there needs to be a sated added to lust but I heared there might be if they do it to drums.
I think what people are ignoring is that it is not 5% haste. It is the equivalent of 25% haste when you factor in that it is a group buff.
that is why it is not being compared to something like JC or ring enchants. If those professions offered a groupwide, stacking, benefit then you can bet they would be required in some way. It would then be min/maxxed on which groups needed which professions.
Also many of those professions are fixed stats, as you get better gear their impact decreases. Flat% always retains the same value, regardless of gear and will be worthwhile the entire expansion.
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Before Classic some were “LoL ! Who care about World buffs a lot of players won’t bother collecting them all they won’t be mandatory”
We saw that, yeah…