Drum fix? ReAlLy? O.o

Yeah, but getting DMT buffs doesn’t lock you out of a profession either.

Don’t take this as me being for drums staying as they were. I don’t think 5% haste is a huge deal, but LW’ing would still end up being required for a good chunk of raids which I find dumb.

Honestly, I’d be fine if they just turned it into a personal buff. LW’ers still get a benefit and it sidesteps the issue of chaining the buff.

Whatever, drums are still fairly marginal and metas will likely crop up with the other professions. No one is talking about the possibility that people will be pressured to level enchanting just to enchant their rings. Or that casters may be rejected from early raids if they don’t have their tailored gear. Some melee will certainly be pressured to be weaponsmiths.

Parse strategies vs. parsing normally. Gimmicks vs. performance.

Yeah you just get locked out of your character for awhile.

People certainly are.

Unfortunately for you, TBC is a game where the high parses come from gimmicks.

That doesn’t mean we should remove all the gimmicks because you enjoy parsing, an activity that wouldn’t be thought of for several years.

I know a guild that’s going to be a parse guild. They are going to have an enhancement shaman on annhilator duty. That’s a level 58 blue weapon from classic with an armor pen proc.

It’s not better for raid dps
It’s not better for the shaman’s dps
But the people whose turn it is to parse will get a better parse.

You wanna parse? Do parse strats. Don’t like the parse strats? Don’t parse.

You obviously didn’t play during TBC. Parsing isn’t about finding every gimmick to increase a single person’s DPS, it’s about performing your best and it showing.

This is my TBC character.

Nah, I’ve been in parse guilds. Sometimes you do entire fights “wrong” because if you can technically down it, it benefits the parse. To give you an example from classic, having the whole raid go engineer, bring sappers, and aoe down majordomo.

You only have to live for like a minute, and you’ll have an orange parse.

So you played TBC and don’t remember WoL?

AoEing down Majordomo to do the fight in a minute seems like an increase in efficiency. If you were AoEing invulnerable adds, like mass-DoTing zombie chows or some other dumb stuff, that would be a gimmick.

No, I don’t.

Neither does google. Set your search to 2006-2008, world of logs. Lemme know what shows up.

Expanding the range, it looks like the first hit to come up is april 2009. You sure it was in TBC, buddy?

There’s a lot of stuff from that era you can no longer find on the internet. I’m pretty positive people were parsing in that era of WoW because my first experience with it was in Sunwell after server transferring off a dead server.

Ok, well I’m not saying I don’t believe you.

But I would say if it did exist, it was pretty niche if google can’t find it. Definitely didn’t have as many guilds parsing back then, and I wouldn’t claim people have 0 experience with TBC just because they weren’t parsing in TBC.

I played on an alliance-heavy realm as horde. We were the only guild that really raided hordeside, and we never got Kael/Vashj/Sunwell kills.

I’ll freely admit I was a teenager playing in a mediumcore guild at best, but that really doesn’t diminish anything I’ve been saying, nor does it mean I have 0 TBC experience.

Pretend?

Trust me, I wish I could pretend. Sadly, I am an adult with all the trappings and crappy things.

BTW, that has nothing to do with the forums. Just life.

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World of Logs became a thing in Wrath, not TBC.

And no, parsing being an arbitrary measure of your individual performance does not mean you’re doing the fight correctly, safely, or free of gimmicks. Often you have to forego tasks like debuff management, ignore targets that don’t count towards the parse despite being necessary for the kill, or even ignore sources of damage so that you can keep pumping damage while stressing Healers to the extreme.

Parsing as a Tank means literally rolling the dice against your raid’s luck in the hopes that RNG never lines up to smash you into the ground. Look at any top parse of a DW Warrior while Tanking in Naxx and you’ll find someone who simply lucked out not getting critically hit and smeared all over the floor, all so you can wear more Crit/AP gear and make use of pure offense trinkets.

Parsing well is just a matter of clearing the boss as swiftly as possible, since a top 5% speed clear means top 2% individual damage in most cases. But if you want that pink parse you need luck and completely favorable conditions from start to finish, which may mean perfect execution, but it may also mean absolutely mindless zerg while the entire raid props up your desire to chase an arbitrarily higher number.

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Wasn’t really a thing in Classic but we definitely used WWS in TBC.

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World of Logs didn’t launch until 2009. We used Wow Web Stats in TBC. Parsing/combat logs were definitely a thing

Can’t really bot farm badges or nethers since Heroics are on a 24 hour timer.

It’s still problematic though (assuming it goes live like that) because it’s one more thing that can be bought with raw gold vs having to farm it directly. It’s also a nerf to crafting professions who could otherwise charge a reasonable amount for a nether required in a recipe.

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So rather than doing a simple fix they went the opposite. Figure. Always do the most complicated avenue.

Simple fix was :

  1. Make drum a base % lower than Heroism / Bloodlust
  2. Make then raid wipe Aura once cast (so only 1 of them is needed) as well as the Heroism/Bloodlust.
  3. Make a sated debuff on the raid (reset if on a boss wipe)

That would change the base core of the game but bring more balance / variety in a core raiding gorup.

Yeah that name doesn’t even remotely ring a bell, but that doesn’t mean anything since I don’t think my guild even uploaded anything to WoL until the ICC days. How robust was it?

This topic is mind numbing!!! Blizzard stated they will not remove the LW requirement, so get a life and move on. If drums mean that much to you and will make or break your dps or healing output then you know what to do. Otherwise, stop with the tantrums.

You would spend talent points on a 5% damage increase no matter how deep in the tree. It’s extremely strong.

Just like world buffs in classic…

Give me a break.

It did basically everything warcraftlogs does. Not as robust as say, wowanalyzer, and its filter/pin game might not have been as good, but definitely on par with Worldoflogs at least.

https://www.engadget.com/2008-01-26-wow-web-stats-reveals-the-ins-and-outs-of-your-raid.html

http://goodmorningazeroth.blogspot.com/2008/09/wow-web-stats.html

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