I looked at our logs. Last week was not a good week for us (35.0 mins) but our Firemaw time was our worst time of the bosses (1:15, 88 percentile). I think we may be approaching that fight incorrectly. Perhaps the MT should not have full FR gear and everyone should just run in and treat it like a boss that doesn’t do massive raid fire damage, relying on our DPS, UBRS and paladin buffs to get us through. I will have to discuss it with our RL.
Regardless, I have to pack for camping and will be gone for a couple days. I must bow out of this conversation.
If your kill time is 1:15 staying in will be very very dangerous. Before people just ran in they actually used a ton of FR to drop stacks via resist. Maybe that’s a better strategy for you rather than risking a raid-wipe.
Once you’re in full DPS gear with minimal FR you won’t survive much more than 40 seconds of Firemaw, even with Whipper-roots and a GFPP.
I don’t know the thresh-hold of FR you need to drop stacks without using LOS but I’d comb through some logs of earlier speedruns when WR was in the 25min. range. I remember seeing APES tank and spank Firemaw at some point and everybody was shocked about it.
Another good resource might be streams of people in those guilds, I am sure they’re happy to talk about previous iterations of their runs.
Take into consideration that this game isn’t new. AQ and Naxx might be hard for a couple weeks but will get cleared by the majority of guilds and then pug/gdkp clears will follow shortly after. All the info a guild/pug requires to coordinate a successful run is available online. So to say tanks or dps or a Druid needs DFT first because of content/class skills is bogus.
AQ is debatable but if you think Naxx is going to be easy breezy after a week or two for most guilds, let alone people doing GDKP idk what to say buddy.
Also AQ would be neigh impossible for GDKP as Cthun has too much individual responsibility for even a 90-10 split of carriers to buyers. The majority of buyers are people who a trash at even a 15 y/o game and will ignore both beam and stomach mechanics resulting in a lot of deaths and wipes.
A bear druid who is a dedicated MT or OT should have prio on the first DFT that drops. It’s massive for them. After that, it should be rogues->dps war/hunter. Rogues never stop needing hit% and they never stop scaling from hit. Rogues also get more benefit from raw +AP than warriors do since execute doesn’t scale with AP at all, and they’d prefer crit. Warriors can cap on hit due to HS queuing and weapon skill but rogues will take every % of hit they can find, the benefit from hit starts to become larger the more of it you have, in terms of overall dps, plus it’s raising a rogue’s white hit crit cap at the same time.
My guild will not be giving the talisman to ferals because warriors and rogues are just that much better. Ferals usually don’t recieve much gear at all.
If you have ferals that aren’t tanking and are just there to dps, then yeah I’d agree. If one of your dedicated tanks is a bear though, it’s worth it to give it to them. It’s a huge help to their threat generation and you’re going to need plenty of tanks come four horsemen anyway.
As far as warriors go, there’s better trinkets for them. Diamond Flask for example. Just make sure all your rogues get it first if you don’t have a feral druid tank. For a rogue, it’s worth 40+ dps by equipping DFT.
“If a guild brings a Feral into the raid or anything they should consider its loot priority just like any other class, especially seeing how most good ferals out dps rogues and warriors often with ease.”
There’s no threshold level. You just increase the odds of dropping stacks with more FR (up to 75% resistance chance per cast at 315). But you don’t tank and spank firemaw by worrying about stacks, you just stack straight dps with 20 warriors doing 1500 dps with world buffs without worrying about FR and kill him before the stacks kill you.
Yes, that is the current meta strategy but the person I responded to is in a guild that kills Firemaw in 1:15. Obviously they do not have access to the kind of DPS that makes a 30sec kill possible so they’ll have to go back to previous strategies such as the FR one.
DFT needs to go to any tank that tanks any Boss where threat is a concern after that you can min max and say it benefits one class or the other all you want (personally after threat tanks I say rogues>warriors>druids>hunters) but in a DKP system after the threat tanks have it, it should just go to whoever wants to spend the points
Yes it’s true a good feral can out dps warriors and rogues. A speedrun guild on our server (25-30 min times) Runs a feral and he is able to perform very well for himself against the majority stack of fury warriors.
The only thing that druids cannot compare to warriors/rogues at is trash dps (lack of aoe). But seeing how 1 druid is mandatory per raid a restoxbalance hybrid would be doing very little dps let alone trash dps.
Whilst that Druid most certainly plays well you pointed out the exact problem. No one in these guilds really even looks at boss parses. What matters is Encounter & Trash parse where trash makes up 60+% of the overall damage.
This feral Druid, whilst again, being an exceptional player, totals out at 383 DPS which is INCREDIBLY low.
For reference, one of our best fury warriors lost his buffs at Firemaw due to an unfortunate event and totaled out at 547 DPS.
A high but nonetheless rather realistic benchmark for a fully buffed fury warrior surviving an entire run of BWL with all world buffs is ~700 DPS on Encounter & Trash.
Fury record parses are well over 900 DPS on Encounter & Trash.
This specific Feral druid is an Offtank for trash (See 105 casts of Maul) or it would be around the ~450-500. Whilst still subpar I think its optimal to have the druid equip some mit gear and OT trash to reduce risk as yeah their boss damage is trash.