Yes, if anything I could see some sort of hybrid because you do need fairy fire. I know many run a resto Druid but especially in BWL priests perform very well so there might be an opportunity to move the Druid from a healer to an OT position?
I am not familiar enough with the game to break it down at that level. I’d say the best indicator are a large enough sample of logs. We’ll see how the meta changes with AQ - maybe bosses like twin-emps hit hard enough to warrant a higher mitigation tank.
There might even be a boomkin-spot in the raid with the right mage-core. Whilst most guilds opt for meele-cleave, mage-cleaves are certainly experimented with.
I even think there is a sub 25min. Run including a lot of rDPS where a boomkin might add even more steam.
I’m sure we’ll see some good stuff before classic wraps up.
Boomies have pretty not good magic cleave, Hurricane has terrible scaling and a 30 second cooldown (with Tier 1 set bonus iirc) so you’re better off unironically bringing a mage because Ferals atleast can compete on bosses and make really strong OTs for trash.
But don’t they add spell crit to the raid? There was something about them boosting spell damage overall.
3% spell crit for 4 casters isn’t worth as much as 3% crit for 4 melee, less chance of dying and also individually contribute more.
I think what is important here is your parses are excellent. If i was LC i would consider YOU for DFT, not just any feral druid (thats the difference). This time I think it should go to the player because your parses are incredible, they brought a pumper.
https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/server/rankings/5010/1002#metric=dps&class=Druid&spec=Feral
If you’re referring to Crad then that isn’t me haha, he’s the top Feral on our server, im a little bit lower. His guild is by far the top speedrunning guild on his server which helps but he is also an absolute god, madlad grinded to R13 just for 2 pieces.
Nah I’m talking about you. I looked up your parses, not your guilds.
Awh thanks <3
Look at your log again. That druid was a full on 99 parse druid and he was below a 94 parse rogue and was above a bunch of low 90s high 80s parse warriors (I honestly don’t know why the one rogue is parsed 96, but lower than the 94 parse rogue. I just assume that’s a WCL thing).
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Straight up, there was nothing easily about that druid’s parse. What you are showing is a cherry picked example of probably one of the best cats in the world beating a bunch of good / very good warriors / rogue (singular). That doesn’t say anything like what you are trying to prove. It says the feral is exceptional and that feral deserves DFT. Unfortunately, it also proves out the point that ferals at a 99 parse still don’t compete with the very best warriors / rogues. Even removing the ones that cat was close to, the overall dps was still a full 110+ dps behind the top 4 on that run alone.
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Long story short, if the feral is exceptional, you reward exceptional play with toys. But just being a feral doesn’t put that player on par with the rest of the classes from a dps perspective. Not dogging on ferals either. Personally I like having diversity in a raid. But blanket statements saying “ferals are as good as warriors / rogues” is flat out incorrect.
Denying ferals the gear that would have potential to bring them up to speed with the rogues and warriors you tout as more deserving is kind of self perpetuating. Basically the rich getting richer. It also ignores the other benefits a druid brings to a raid, and instead only myopically focuses on their singular DPS parse.
And no, I am not saying druids should get priority. I am saying that others should not get priority simply due to DPS parses. (That is my opinion and progression raiders may very well have a different opinion)
I think our guilds first Neltharion’s Tear and Lok’amir both went to our Moonkin.
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Hey, if you are clearing content, folks are having an enjoyable time with their buds, and all members of the raid get a fulfilling chance at gear, it’s all good.
Ofc everyone can hand loot out freely as they and their guild like to. I personally just don’t think it should be loot-counseled if it isn’t managed to optimally progress the raid/guild as a whole.
Systems like DKP, etc. allow people to raid together and get rewarded on a more individual basis.
Wowzers. Had to pick the #3 parsing feral dps. Even then they only barely beat out a rogue just inside the top 5k
If anything this screams more towards pushing it to a rogue/warrior as the best feral dps in the world can barely hang with middle of the road rogues
So if you have one of the best feral dps in the world then by all means hand them DFT. Otherwise youre better off giving it to a slightly above average rogue or warrior
Feral trash dps is generally not good and lower than Moonkin. Moonkin is a flex healer the same way cats are a flex tank.
We all know that the actual meta for optimizing a dedicated resto of some sort. I don’t know why you ferals are so quick to throw balance druids under the bus, all things considered.
DKP is well and good, all the way up to the point where some players are not able to use that DKP due to officers suddenly claiming that other players should be getting priority.
That piece of gear doesn’t bring them on par with Warriors / Rogues (and TBH, DPS Warriors shouldn’t get it either given how HS queuing works). That’s what I am getting at. It isn’t a rich getting richer kind of thing. Ultimately, a feral has to be excellent to keep up with a very good warrior / rogue. Unfortunately, that is an issue with the class that Blizzard doesn’t address in this version of the game.
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Don’t get me wrong here either. If you aren’t in a hardcore guild pushing speed records or shooting for world / server firsts and whatnot, I don’t think there is much reason to deprioritize a feral from DFT. I am saying straight up from a numbers perspective, it really should be MT / OT (Feral or Warrior) > Rogue > Feral > Warrior. I am not suggesting that this fits every guild. It doesn’t. There is no one size fits all for priority and trying to say there is one is a fool’s errand.
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But the post I was responding to was making the claim that a feral was right there with warriors and rogues and the numbers just flat out didn’t back up that claim. And that was for one of the very best with the class.
The difference is its much easier to parse 99 and a Feral Druid due to the amount of bears that get included, druids who don’t even try and the lack of feral players to create a proper representation for parses. For example 650 DPS is a 99 parse on Nef but so is 1,170 DPS as well.
Its almost as if someone puts in the effort to be on par or above the raid they should be treated with the same respect gear wise, if you have a feral parsing below 90 then that feral is either bad or not putting in work and shouldn’t get the same prio as everyone else, thats all I argue, I’ve already established having more than 1 druid in a speedrun environment is a net loss, but if that 1 druid you have is as exceptional as the rest of your team then they shouldn’t be put at the bottom of prio like others in this forum have suggested.
First off there was easily, this is a skilled player trying their best with a bunch of other skilled players trying their best. DPS parses including Feral is manipulated by the kill time as there is a higher propensity for top tier parses to happen in extremely short fights 22 sec vael, 1 minute nef etc. This allows Feral a spec where half our damage comes from a single ability to have our crits impact more increasing the likelihood of a top tier parse. (Not ragging on Crad he is an absolute unit)
In a normal semi-causal or semi-competetive guild a Druid can and will out dps the majority of the people there. We are both in guilds the same boss kill times and if I joined your raid group one day I’d be top 1-5 dps on almost every single boss.
Exactly, if they compete and try to do so then they should get respect in terms to loot this person is contributing more to the raid than a fury warrior as they are able to be a neigh unkillable off tank due to mit spam gear during trash and deal the same dps as most of the warriors in their guild (not including +crit) and Faerie Fire in itself is a ~10% damage increase.
The individual DPS increase for both a Rogue and a Feral is higher for the latter, from a purely numbers perspective if you have only 1 Feral dps in your raid for FF then that extra 5-6 dps should mean it goes to them before rogues no? Again in a pure numbers, speed run LC environment.