Dragonriding should not have been enabled from day 1

[Rizzakk-azshara]

no the skybox they created just sucks, they knew we had new dragons from the raid we wanted to play with this is lazy developer work

[Stenchbone-terenas (Stenchbone)]

@Icanteven-aegwynn

Part of what made older zones so immersive is exploring them on foot and knowing that everyone else has to do the same.

I’m just as immersed by flying through a zone. This smacks more of “muh world peeveepee.”

[Kromkosh-thrall (Kromkosh)]

If DF Pathfinder is anything to go by, it will be “explore the zones” and “finish the campaign”. The first of which can be done in less than an hour of starting the expansion unless there’s something specifically gating you getting to a location needed for discovery, and the second of which can take as little as 2 or 3 days.

[Fungi-sisters-of-elune]

I feel immersed as a pterodactyl flying through the air. It’s great and I love it, I’m exploring the dream that way and it’s amazing.

The OP’s central argument is subjective, it’s about an aesthetic and wanting every other player to play the way they want them to. Also it’s a very tired position dating back to what the devs said during wod. After all these years they walked that crap back, so maybe give it a rest.

[Averax-staghelm (Averax)]

Sometimes you gotta break a few eggs to make an omelette. Dynamic Flight has been widely well received, and it’s the direction they want to take traveling in this game to make it more engaging.

Obviously, this was not going to appeal to everybody. So Static Flight will still exist going forward, but it needs to be unlocked. Next expansion, the unlock requirements are basically nothing. Reach max level, do the main story, that’s it. The people unwilling to do even this much were probably not going to stick around anyway.

It’s almost certainly a decision for the long term health of the game to attract and keep new players. You may not think it, but they way you get around the world is a big factor in enjoyment.

[Kneeshooter-amanthul (Kneeshooter)]

I am so tired of constant posts about Flying 1 v Flying 2 that I have decided to mute every one that comes up - because all we see is a rehash of the same responses from people pushing the same opinions over and over. People could probably just save a document saying the same thing and copy/paste that in to comments.

[Cayna-hyjal]

@Averax-staghelm

You may not think it, but they way you get around the world is a big factor in enjoyment.

It absolutely is… that’s why both should be available at the same time with the same requirements.

[Averax-staghelm (Averax)]

That’s the thing though. They want people familiarized with the new system before they have a chance to go back to the old, give em time to learn it. Hence the max level requirement.

[Cayna-hyjal]

Agree 100%. People are NEVER going to agree so this will just continue until the next big thing to argue about comes along.

[Quakedee-aerie-peak]

Could have would have should have. So Sorry for such a small opinion but they did it has and has been since day one. It rocks! They did what they should have cause its their game and our FUN FUN FUN.

[Cayna-hyjal]

We’ve learn the new system already some people like it some people don’t and some people like both.

[Averax-staghelm (Averax)]

We have. But what about the person who picks up the game next expansion?

[Toddorbert-thrall]

@Averax-staghelm

Dynamic Flight has been widely well received

by whom? from what I have read from these forums, it’s a hard mix of both.

Flying was not in Vanilla but added in BC when a player hit level cap. No rep needed, just gold to buy skill and mount. It stayed like this till beginning of WoD when things took a drastic change: Pathfinder was only added to the game after the massive complaints and loss of subs when flying was removed - the devs, backpedaled and added pathfinder.

Pathfinder was the go to to get flying prior to DF.

Then DF is released and out of the blue they added dynamic flight. Could of been added from everyone complaining about pathfinder. Why was dragon flight the only option of flight? Most likely the next three expansions are the reasoning.

There really is no reason (other than the devs want it this way) why dynamic and static flying cannot be released at the same time.

Personally (IMO) they should go back to the BC model: get flight access once character is level capped and buy training. Then fly whatever type you wish.

[Averax-staghelm (Averax)]

@Toddorbert-thrall

by whom? from what I have read from these forums, it’s a hard mix of both.

The forums are a poor representation of player opinion, since most people come here to complain.

[Lucaria-lightbringer]

@Teàrs-arcanite-reaper

You “can” fly through the dragon isles and obtain a “jist” of what’s happening on the ground below but you’re missing so much detail it’s insane. Those expansions that forced you to ground ride before flying were some of the best wpvp, best questing, best overall experiences in wow.

Lucky for me, you don’t get to dictate what I am and am not missing. You don’t speak for me. You don’t get to claim I “obtain a jist of what’s happening”.

@Teàrs-arcanite-reaper

I’m genuinely sad for you if you never experienced that. Maybe you’re a new player or something. It strips the spirit of the game away when you are just flying to dots on the map.

Been around since the launch of BC, you know way back in 2007 when flying came into being in wow.

@Teàrs-arcanite-reaper

It strips the spirit of the game away when you are just flying to dots on the map.

You don’t get to determine what strips the spirit of the game away.

@Teàrs-arcanite-reaper

I’m not important enough to tell you how to game.

We agree on one thing.

@Teàrs-arcanite-reaper

But the actual substance of the game is in the art team and the quest design team

Again, who are you to tell me or anyone else what the substance of the game is?

@Teàrs-arcanite-reaper

But the point remains you should check out wow from a new perspective. Next time you clear a dungeon like jade temple zoom into first person and walk around (also press alt-z) to get rid of the ui. You will grow to appreciate all the detail that existed as far back as mop. But when your max zoom distance for the sake of mechanics you will NEVER see the level of detail I’m talking about.

What does that have to do with flying? There’s never been flying in a dungeon. I’d be willing to be I’ve done more dungeons in this game than you have.

@Teàrs-arcanite-reaper

We did a dungeon in first person as a literal joke one night in disc it was both obnoxiously inefficient but arguably one of the most funny events we have had in wow. We also as a byproduct of our stupidity we found a level of detail with the dungeon we never knew existed cause we were so zoomed out.

Another tangent that has nothing to do with the point but go ahead.

@Teàrs-arcanite-reaper

Point is do what you want but you’re missing out on details you think you see but you really don’t.

You’ve tried multiple times in this post to tell me what I do and don’t see. You don’t get that right. For the sake of argument, enlighten me. Tell me what it is exactly that I’m “missing”.

@Teàrs-arcanite-reaper

I wouldn’t personally ride my ground mount when everyone else isn’t

So you’re a MASSIVE hypocrite. Got it.

@Teàrs-arcanite-reaper

but if we all were on ground mounts the world would feel like a world not an airport

Well, for the upteenth time, you don’t get to dictate how people play and how they perceive the game. You just don’t.

[Toddorbert-thrall]

@Averax-staghelm

The forums are a poor representation of player opinion, since most people come here to complain.

and yet this was said:

@Averax-staghelm

Dynamic Flight has been widely well received

so again, I ask, by whom?

and the forums are select representation of player opinion. Many (most?) people in the game may have never been to this forums, just like many do not use twitter/X.

[Ow-bronzebeard]

@Vicktoria-area-52

Use a slower mount.

I read that as “Use a shower mount.” and now I want a glyph for my Monk’s Zen Flight to turn it into a little raincloud.

[Vicktoria-area-52 (Vicktoria)]

lol that would be AWESOME!

[Averax-staghelm (Averax)]

@Toddorbert-thrall

so again, I ask, by whom?

Blizzard collects feedback from multiple sources, the forums are a small part. They get feedback from twitter, reddit, the in-game feedback button, private surveys, etc… If they’re doubling down on it an expansion later and changing nothing about it, it’s probably because they got a lot of positive feedback compared to any negative feedback.

[Teàrs-arcanite-reaper]

@Lucaria-lightbringer

Well, for the upteenth time, you don’t get to dictate how people play and how they perceive the game. You just don’t.

You are so argumentative it’s actually blowing my mind. YOU are the one that quoted me to start a debate. YOU are the one that keeps responding. YOU are the one with the same grasping at straws argument.

Listen man. I dhaf how you play. Stop talking to me. I literally have zero desire to feed your troll anymore.

The greatest part ever is when you say “who are you to…” it’s called an opinion. Just cause mine differs from yours doesn’t make me wrong or you right so just move on. I’ve played since vanilla btw and can absolutely guarantee I have accomplished more than you on the game at a higher level on this alt account much less my main. (Aimed at your wrong assumption of someone you don’t know) call me when you get 3k io, cutting edge, and 2800 mmr. Then you make all the assumptions you want.

Once again. I have zero desire to continue the debate with someone as illogical as you. Hope you have a great day. fr.