Dragonflight Story and Representation

This is either bait or something you need to talk to your therapist about. Because it doesn’t reflect reality.

Ebonhorn claimed the seat of Black Dragonflight Aspect(putting it 3-2 flight leader male to female oh no), you undersell; Wrathion, Sabellion, Nozdormu & Kalecgos.

Malfurion returned from his sidelining, you conveniently left Razageth off your bad guys are only males list.

I don’t care to go on because this is clearly a troll thread.

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Ebonhorn I don’t believe claimed anything. He just kinda waltzed right into it.

And yes I’m discounting wrathion and Sabellian being a bunch of joke men side filler. Especially wrathion being whiny and impulsive from the start of waking shores.

Again nozdormu slept his way through the expansion. Did he actually fight anyone for saving his own hide? No that was Chromie.

Malfurion came back to go be a Gardener.

Not exactly action, adventure and heroism :confused:

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I don’t think the problem is gender, it’s the writing and can we ease up on World of Elfcraft story telling and talk about cooler races in WOW.

Seriously what happened to Orcs vs Humans. It’s like Star Wars without the Sith and Jedi. Where is the grittyness of the game story???

Where is the metal???

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Ahh I forgot Kalecgos,

I believe was fairly overshadowed by the Sindragosa reveal and being relegated to helping the Tuskarr female chieftain storyline.

2/3 female centric storyline here as well.

Alright all you woefully oppressed men! Go out and burn your boxers and briefs in protest like we women did with bras in the 1960s!

And take lots of pictures :dracthyr_heart:

(this is just a joke please don’t set fire to your undies)

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I dunno perhaps this is a non issue.

With the removal of male female and replacement with body type 1/2… Is everyone canonically now potentially retconned to be intersex?

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Who aren’t the bad guys.

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The Tuskarr have a female chieftan now. The previous one (who lived long enough to die of old age) was male. We help out with his funeral. They clearly have no sexism.

The Centaur have always been matriarchal. Going back to vanilla. Nothing’s changed.

Chromie is not “in charge”, she just helps out Nozdormu.

Primal incarnates: 2 evil males, one evil female (she’s arguably the second most unhinged), one good female. Nothing to do with it.

Tess has been being groomed to take over Gilneas since she was introduced. She’s the legitimate heir since her brother is dead. Genn is 77 years old. This is how it happens in real life monarchies, so get over it.

The Dracthyr are a fairly even split…Emberthal is just one of several commanders, she just happens to be the one we work with.

The Aspects now have 3 males and 3 females…nothing’s changed except the addition of Vyranoth.

In short…get over yourself, lol.

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I don’t believe that this is about just myself, there’s hundreds of replies to this thread with lots of feelings, yours included here.

And each of us I hope are able to voice opinions respectfully.

Yours is read and noted, thanks for your input.

But there’s no reason to discount anyone’s feelings.

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All I see here is “omg women are in positions of power, the sky is falling, how dare they”.

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Maybe that’s what is the loudest voice but not what I felt or intended.

Overall summary is that the writing felt lacking for male roles of action and adventure, where they were relegated to minor or emotional development only, and or comic relief.

Whereas women were featured more prominently.

I’m hoping in the future the writing is more balanced and representative for everyone.

Some of us get boys get their turn at metal, war, honor, valor, and some emotional development growth sprinkled on top.

Some of us get women lead charge and make crucial but diplomatic decisions and their own heroic charge into battle.

That’s usually why I buy games and have enjoyed WoW previously but I didn’t get that in this xpac.

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idc who is the star of the show as long as theyre WELL-WRITTEN. the issue is we got trash cans for characters and the ones that was developed well have taken a horrible turn.

WOW has always been a sell out to the culture war. They try to keep from being cancelled instead of focusing on just making games

I respectfully disagree.

I believe it has previously been heavily male centric and correlates to the blizzard company culture they got in trouble with.

Now in a steering correction, but I believe the steering has overcorrected.

Maybe eventually they can steer down the middle. At least what I am asking for here. FF14 is able to and sells well enough and can be financially viable.

You are absolutely right. Women have been playing this game for almost 20 years and it’s been almost solely male dominated in leadership - and no whining about it. The gender balance is now about 50% player side.

But the second the leadership gets a bit of gender balance or even has more strong female leaders, someone gets all sensitive about it. It’s ludicrous.

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‘Down the middle’.

Have you once, ever, written a forum post or reply complaining about the male heavy leadership imbalance for the past 20 years? Did you ever write that leadership should be ‘down the middle’? Or were you perfectly fine with it?

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Love it. I don’t recall seeing any posts complaining about the balance of leadership for the past 20 years.

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I think many of us males myself included didn’t think about it. Because it was culturally different.

Times have changed and so have I. My wife is actually a very strong feminist with great ideals and perspective.

So now in the present where things are being discussed and we are having those conversations, I would like as a male to enjoy a story with a shared spotlight with females, with all races and orientations.

With that being said, I like having strong male characters in an RPG along with strong females.

I just didn’t enjoy a mostly strong female cast, because the male roles I felt were written in a degrading or minor roles

I didn’t get feelings of excitement and adventure from either genders writing actually. But in this case most I feel was female centric.

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Who remembers the days threads on WoW GD would unironically ask if women play this game?

Pepperidge Farm remembers :dracthyr_tea:

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Okay for example,

Varian heroic death on the broken shore, standing in defiance to Guldan.

Gut wrenching heroism.

I didn’t get that type of feeling from any male character this expansion.

Female wise I don’t think I did either I never found myself saying wow that was awesome or tug at heart strings. But that’s just me.

… Maybe a way that would have balanced things…

If Alexstrasza would have actually been injured before going into the raid. Raising the stakes as she was mortally wounded. She could have been left to be treated by healers and then at the end of the raid, healed and restored by the world tree through some type of ritual.

There were some more areas where emotional stakes could have been raised for all characters here I think.