As to the Gnomes they didn’t have access to priest prior to Cata meaning they couldn’t heal. And that was supposed to be “no race not no class”
For the second the “lore” thing is never gonna sit right with a lot of us on this because the lore for Dracthyr is new, meaning that it was written to lock out people from the new race. I get that lore but that lore could have been written with players that Tank and melee in mind for the race by having some basic warrior training included.
It also Irks me that Big N made them from all dragon flights and yet we have him only adding the barest of inclusion from his own flight. I mean the lack of black abilities does make one wonder why not more, or did we lose a spec in design.
He may have understood the weaknesses inherent in his own flight. There may be a legitimate story reason we aren’t aware of yet.
Why does need to be a “thing” though?
You’re trying to shoehorn your logic into someone else narrative.
You remind me of a guy I used to sell lottery tickets to when I worked in a gas station. He used to scratch them right there, and then complain about why the numbers weren’t in different locations. “If this number were changed around with this one, I’d be a millionaire!”
Yeah, but you didn’t print the ticket, so you don’t get to decide that.
You didn’t write this story, so you don’t get to decide what the Dracthyr “are” or “aren’t”.
Maybe you need to go write your own MMO with Blackjack and ahem ladies of the night.
Man, raiders actually do think the whole game should revolve around them. Too many years of them coding the game around world first races and funneling everyone into raiding. All that has lead us to is a decline in the population and everyone hating on the game.
This was my line of thinking as well. In the novel Dawn of the Aspects, he exhibits traits that would not be wanted in a “perfect creation,” such as excessive pride and superiority. If he recognized these flaws in himself and his flight (prior to any Old God corruption) it stands to reason he would lower the amount of black flight influence in the Dracthyr and by extension the amount of magic/abilities they have access to.
Until you take into account that they are based off the flights, pure dragons. They had no need for shields. Melee fighting was only used as a last resort, favoring magic attacks above all else.
No one is saying the writing is perfect, there is a lot that could be better. But we also haven’t seen it all, we don’t know what the possible explanation could be at this point.
I get that from a gameplay perspective it feels bad to some people, but for a lot of us gameplay isn’t the only reason we enjoy the game. Blizzard has to find a balance and that means not everyone will be happy all the time.
You are saying, from an entire race of people, not one had the inkling of ‘hey if I put this wood/metal/stone/dragonscale/whatever between me and that claw heading toward me, it won’t hurt as bad!’
Again, these are not naive little whelpings, these are supposed to be ‘super-soldiers’ that have no idea how to take a punch and, by your speculation, had absolutely no idea what to do if someone closed to within 5ft of them.
Garbage-tier, the whole thing. There’s simply no excuse that squares what the Dracthyr are supposed to be with how limited they actually are.
In just about every fantasy setting dragons keep their opponent as far away from them as possible, using wing buffets and tail sweeps to create distance. Thus allowing them to use their magic more effectively. They simple don’t fight the way traditional mortal races do.
And from what the little bit we know about them implies, they were created and then they went to sleep for 10k years. We don’t know how much time passed between those two events.
You don’t have to like it. But for now that’s how it is.
I was imagining the Dracthyr would be able to, yknow, TANK SOMETHING.
Instead this ‘but the lore’ argument is being used to justify the unreasonable restrictions being set of the Dracthyr.
Class and race exclusivity is poison to a race’s shelf-life. Wonder why there’re so many BE in Horde? It’s not just because they’re the fairest of them all, but they have access to either the most or second-most amount of classes for a single race but also that they have an exclusive class they share only with NE. The Dracthyr are done from a content standpoint the literal instant you get two, maybe 3 to max level. Then you have no reason to touch Evoker OR Dracthyr again.
And I’d like to point out that a lot changes in that time frame.
These were created based on mortal races at the time.
The mortal races of Azeroth have changed quite a bit since then, and a few new ones have been added, Draenei included.
Their power levels are based on things from 10K years ago.
If you’re going to level one to max, why wouldn’t you play one AT max? That’s a bit nonsensical. Even as a alt, they will have value.
Plus, Blizz has made it clear that they understand players want more race/class combos and they are working that direction.
There’s no telling what the future may hold for this race. There may be a creation facility we don’t know about yet where more of these can come from without the specific ability of being a single class, possibly allowing them to be other classes in the future.
Again, I fall back on the “these are preprogrammed robots” explanation.
They are what they are for now but that may not be the only thing they can be in the future.
Let’s get through this story and see where it leads.
I guess part of it comes from how I have DM’d over the years, I’m telling this story, but if I make choices for the story that my players don’t like or don’t feel like they are participating in I might as well just write a novel.
I get that I didn’t write or get a say in writing DF, that being said feedback exist for a reason and if people would like to see a change it’s important. I mean lore wise Evokers could have been the true super soldiers in that they took to being infused with the flights powers, while regular non-infused Dracthyr picked up the other classes.
Sure, but they don’t have to listen to your feedback, anymore than you as a DM have to listen to the feedback of your players.
However, that doesn’t mean that further down the line you can’t change you mind, or maybe even you’re just hiding something from your players you just don’t want to reveal just yet.
Any number of reasons. I might not be interested in chasing endgame. I might hate how Evoker plays. Blizzard might nerf something stupid and break the class.
All of those lock me out of not just Evoker, but Dracthyr as a whole.
Doing the literal opposite of fan outcry is a weird method to show that they hear us.
Why pigeonhole them now? Like, why set the story literally after The Vault opens? There’s no reason for these Dracthyr to trust either faction. They mount dragon heads! Also, why must I now fight my fellow Dracthyr just because they chose Blue instead of Red, aren’t we allies?
It made no sense in MoP, and even less sense here because these are siblings-in-arms deciding to turn on each other for reasons that are dubious at best.
‘Pre-programmed’ robots aren’t suitable PCs. Not in any setting, simply because there’s no player agency. Punishing class and race restrictions is also not something I want to reward Blizzard for. That is a dumb, dumb idea that needs to die already.
Some people don’t have a huge amount of alting time, I for instance don’t have a lot of spare time to gear alts so while I can easily get them all (except mage) to level cap. Gearing them for more than basic dungeons is a slow process.
Now lets say I’ve been wanting to play a dragon race for years, and blizzard finally announces one. My personal ability to play and level one is there, but my ability to really play it if it’s not my main is significantly lower. So if I can’t play evoker because we only have limited open spots in raids, we really need me to tank this expac, or even because I suck at the class then I get to be SoL for however long.
And I think the people who are okay with that don’t get bothered by it because that issue isn’t affecting them. This isn’t as close to their dream race as we are likely to get, maybe they play enough to manage multiple toons, they can fit it into their raid comp, or they are in the small minority who actually are enjoying having a toy others can’t have.
And the best part is if this did effect them in the same way a lot of them would be the ones asking for a change and a lot of people on my side of this would be acting like it’s no big deal. Sure we will have some that are consistent but not many I would be willing to bet.
That doesn’t really stand to reason though. The idea that the dragons made a fighting force and ignored melee doesn’t make sense.
Plus, Blizz is making all this up now. It’s not like these are a WC1 noc being brought in. There’s no reason they couldn’t have either gone 4 specs or 2 classes to get the new race playable for all styles.
The only argument against has been people salty about not getting ranged classes added previously and being excited that melee players are getting the shaft this time.
