Dracthyr shamans please.
You won’t catch me throwing rainbow colored spells on Evoker, no sir.
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Can’t they find better ways to combat that?
Just now getting the chance to watch the new interviews, and
Brian Holinka said that in 10.0 ALL races will be rogues, mages, and priests.
Which um…Dracthyr are a RACE as advertised by the marketing. So THEY BETTER DELIVER on that at least, or now I’ll actually be genuinely pissed, rather then happy and hopeful for the future about it.
EDIT: I’m going to give them the chance, and I do still love them, I’m just nervous that I won’t like the class, even though I wanna be a dragon. But I apologize for my negative outburst.
Positivity Train back on track, now!
EDIT# 2:
Wing Buffet, Tail Sweep, and Visage/Dracthyr form are current racials in the works, that they are the most set on staying through to the final product.
Edit#3: Brian confirmed that Dracthyr ARE their own flying mount, as an additonal Racial. Which was speculated if it was true, based on some of Ion’s commentary.
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Hopefully they add warriors to that list (as it’s already true for everything save for Dracthyr!)
I’m assuming they’re speaking about everything else though because Blizzard.
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I am of the opinion that the Dracthyr should just stay as Evoker. I’m all about maintaining class and race fantasies. Some races can be several classes, some are simply born a class. Dracthyr are clearly the later. No need to water down their lore so that 0.01% of the player popular can roll a Dracthyr Rogue.
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Great…definitely didnt need to see more of them. Not looking forward to fighting Tauren rogues or mages
Have you seen their lore? If anything not allowing for at least 2 or 3 class options, is more of a watering down then just Evoker.
They are supposed to be the ultimate protectors and soldiers, in the eyes of Deathwing. With intense adaptability. It’s not very adaptable if they only have one trick so to speak. Keeping them as the only race that can ever be Dracthyr however, would make more sense lore wise. Which mind you, no one here has ever said they should get every class option either, lol.
The racials will suck to fight against. But if it makes people happy, then good for them, :). I think Rogues are a little weird for them, but if a Kul’tiran can be one due to Pirates (outlaws) then there is no reason to think that a Tauren or any race shouldn’t get to be either. (Including Dracthyr…lmao).
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They possess the powers of the 5 dragonflights, and have innate draconic abilities like flying. Why do you need to pick up a sword if you can fly overhead and roast your enemy with dragon fire?
Why do any of the Dragonkin we see in WoW or expanded fantasy sources pick up weapons? Let’s take it a step farther, why would a Dragon take on a humanoid form, or make cities, when they could live in caves/dens.
Or let’s go to a sense of other races, why would a Worgen pick up a sword, when they can run in and bite/claw/ravage their enemies?
Every race has a class that is more suited to what they would more naturally excel at, but that doesn’t mean it’s all they should or would pick up and do. It’s a bit ridiculous to assume that such rigidness would happen among an ancient people in a fantasy setting.
Like by your logic, would say a Nightborne, do anything beyond Arcane mage?
Do you see where I’m going with this, WoW, and fantasy in general is known for having diversity in classes, with races being more known for certain ones. And Dragons have historically been depicted in this game and others, as being versatile and willing, to cover essentially all the bases. Like if there was ever a race that should be able to be all classes it would be a Dragon, a Human, or a Troll. I’m not saying Dracthyr should get all classes…but just based on their typical lore.
Also, things like Wing Buffets, and Tail Sweeps are apparently tied in as a racial instead of an Evoker ability, to help keep the Dragon feel in other classes for people.
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Well for starters if you’re talking about Drakonids, they pick up weapons because they’re just mutated humanoids without many draconic abilities. The actual dragons of the flights don’t pick up weapons. Wrathion for example carries around a sword just for show. Dragons of the flights use their magical and draconic abilities. As for them taking up mortal form, its simply part of their culture. They’re interested in mortal races, and they also like the feel of mortal skin.
According to lore, Worgen despise their curse and seek to retain their humanity as much as possible. They do that by not using their claws and teeth, and instead use standard weapons.
No, because there are Nightborne in their society who are not mages. The Dracthyr are different though, because they’re born with the powers of the 5 flights, and they’re dragons with natural weapons. Like if you’re a Dracthyr warrior, how do you not use wings and dragonbreath while fighting? These are things they train into, they’re literally born that way.
Yeah, but other abilities like Soar and the various breath abilities are not. Again, how do you turn those abilities off without completely breaking the lore of the race?
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It’s not breaking the lore of the race, to keep a warrior from being able to fly in combat. Flying combat is an evolution of DHs, and some of the Evoker spells will allow for it. The race will still use DragonRiding Style flight out of combat as their racial mount. This point is the equivalent of asking why Worgen can’t feral charge as a Mage. Because at the end of the day, they still do fight like savage beasts. It’s something they state often in the lore, and espeacially in the book BEFORE THE STORM.
Yes, I know about the Drakonids being mortals who are blessed/mutated. But they do still have Draconic claws, and access to lesser variations of their flight’s magic. Yet they still wield weapons.
Dracthyr are ideally a merger of MORTAL RACES, and their SKILLS along with the Dragon Aspects and their powers. The lore for them is already set up for multiple classes.
Actually we see Wrathion actually wielding Xal’atath.
Does the lore ever state they prefer mortal skin? Or is this a made up point. I know books like Before the Storm, mention that it’s to help them fit/blend in. Or even hide in plain sight and learn. With a ceremony of sorts taking place for when they pick the form they identify as the most.
But it STILL doesn’t explain why they would make human-like cities, or why they would have their culture and society mirroring a lot of the humanoid races.
So like, if you’re logic is “rawr, dragon don’t need weapon, dragon have fire breath”. Then by that same logic, Dragons have no need for cities, or mortal-esque structures and societal norms.
Would you personally as a Dragon pick a weapon? Perhaps not, but that is why you wouldn’t have to choose a to be anything other then an Evoker.
But also, the Evokers themselves USE WEAPONS and collect them, as confirmed already.
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In case you’re curious, officially Evokers can and will use EVERY WEAPON a SHAMAN CAN. But they’ll use SWORDS INSTEAD OF SHIELDS.
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No, Evokers literally have an ability called Soar that allows the Evoker to fly around and use their abilities. It’s the Dracthyr using their wings to fight. They also use their wings for other things as well. So the question has to be asked; Why would a Dracthyr not be able to use Soar when they’re a Warrior?
What about Breath attacks? Do Dracthyr suddenly forget how to use those when they switch classes? Again, these are innate abilities that every Dracthyr has because they’re winged dragons.
But it’s not the same thing. A Drakonid doesn’t have access to the level of draconic power that the Dracthyr have. Holinka straight up said that the Dracthyr are essentially a new dragonflight, essentially the Prismatic Dragonflight. So they’re not much different than Alexstraza or Wrathion, and you don’t see Alex or Wrathie signing up to be Warriors or Rogues, they’re simply dragons.
Yes, as a tool, not a weapon. When Wrathion fights, he turns into a dragon and uses draconic magic. He’s not swinging a sword or knife around.
I think you’re convoluting two different things;
Dragons building mortal style cities and enjoying hiding their true appearance as dragons really has nothing to do with the notion of a dragon viewing armor and swinging around a sword as a valid method of combat. Again, it simply doesn’t make sense for a Dracthyr to suddenly forget how to do basic dragon things simply because they switched classes.
Again, no different that Wrathion wielding a sword of Alexstraza wielding a staff, it’s all for show, like a costume. Once they enter dragon form, its all dragon.
You see Alexstraza in the cinematic? You see any staves or polearms sticking out of her back? I certainly did not.
NO, they mentioned SOARING in combat, they didn’t say they had an ability called Soar. Watch the interviews.
Blood Elves are all innately magical, with Arcane powers. Yet we don’t have Warriors flinging spells, now do we? Some abilities have to stick to certain classes for Balance.
I’m not convoluting ANYTHING. If a Dragon, is to only stick to DRAGONY things, then they wouldn’t build cities and other things that the mortal races do. Heck, the Dragons can fly wherever they want, they don’t really have the NEED for those things, or really the need for much of what they currently do in WoW and other fantasy universes.
AGAIN YOU ARE WRONG!!!
They’ve literally said in interviews this week, that PLAYER DRACTHYR EVOKERS. Will use ALL WEAPONS THAT SHAMANS DO.
But instead of Shields, they gain access to Swords. Literally confirming that Dracthyr and Evokers do use weapons. Regardless of how YOU FEEL.
Not to mention that they now are talking about wanting to open up RACE/CLASS restrictions across the board, and have said they are open to Dracthyr getting more classes past 10.0.
Literally both THE LORE and THE DEVS have pointed more toward my viewpoint, then toward yours.
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I did. Watch the interview with Holinka and MrGM, The ability is called Soar, and the Evoker can fly in combat and use their abilities.
They have Arcane Torrent. You also didn’t answer my question; Why would a dragon forget how to fly or breathe fire?
Again, them building cities is completely irrelevant to them choosing to be a mortal class or fight like a mortal. They’re DRAGONS who can fly and roast enemies from high in the sky. If you could do that, would you really swing a sword or staff around? No, of course you wouldn’t.
Like I said, no different than Wrathion carrying around a sword in Visage form for show. When he turns into a dragon (which is what your combat form is as a Dracthyr) his sword is nowhere to be found. Like the Dracthyr, Wrathion is flying around on his wings and burning enemies with dragon flame, just like the player will be doing as a Dracthyr Evoker.
As for the opening of races and classes, you’re once again convoluting two different things. They’re opening up CERTAIN races to new classes. With the Dracthyr, they said they’re looking into POSSIBLY doing it in the “future”.
In other words, I wouldn’t hold my breath.
Then Timestamp it, because they didn’t SAY THAT. All they said, was that the Dracthyr’s racial mount, is themselves.
But regardless, a Class ability, is not required to be used in other classes. I’ll refer you back to Worgen being able to charge in combat.
They don’t forget, then can do it out of combat. Read my comments.
They don’t need EVERY little spell for a racial. Like Arcane Torrent that you mentioned, doesn’t scratch the surface on the magical capability that all Blood Elves have. Nor does Touch of the Naaru scratch the surface on the connection the Draenei have to the light.
No it’s not irrelevant. Especially when Dragon Skin isn’t thicker then say Plate. If the Dragons would do SOME things like Mortals, then they’re not going to just not bother with other things. Sorry, but no.
You can’t be OK with trying to say the weapons are for gameplay reasons and Stats, while also trying to say to the Dracthyr can’t be other classes, because they can’t use a Breath weapon or every little Dragon thing. Point Blank.
Actually, they said ALL races. They didn’t say certain, like AT ALL. But sure Jan.
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You might as well stop typing, this is a topic I’ve heavily researched since the announcement of them, you’re not going to win, or be able to actually have a reasonable way to deny what I’m saying.
If for no reason, then the fact that Blizz has very much so made this possibility the clear reality of what is likely to happen, or could easily happen.
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No need, just go here on MMO Champ, they list it as one of the video’s highlights;
https://www.mmo-champion.com/content/
" * Soar is the ability that lets you hover in the air for a duration while casting abilities on the move."
As shown above, they do it IN combat as well. It’s one of the distinctive attributes of the Race/Class.
Except Arcane Torrent makes sense as something innate within a Blood Elf; Having Arcane power you can’t control, so you can lash it out. So that’s something you’re born with. Going beyond that, like having an Arcane Blast is something that you’re taught by a Mage.
Dracthyr NATURALLY have the ability to breathe fire, because they are dragons. They NATURALLY have the ability Soar because they have wings. You can’t turn those off because a dracthyr wants to put on some armor and use a sword. That doesn’t make sense.
Again, just look at dragons like Wrathion, Alexstraza, or Kalecgos. See any of them wearing armor in dragon form? I don’t. So why would a Dracthyr? Especially considering the Dracthyr is infused with the power of all 5 flights.
Obviously Dracthyr have weapons in the Visage forms. Its no different than Guardian or Feral Druids having weapons in their caster form. In both cases when its time to fight, both classes’ weapons vanish and become merely stats to determine their damage. Druid players have had zero issue with this for almost 20 years. Why would Dracthyr players bat an eyelash?
Again, they didn’t. They said that long term their goal is to open up more race and class combinations, but SOME classes will remain open to only certain races. Druids, Demon Hunters, and Evokers are obviously on that list. Given how much lore and logic is tied to keeping the Dracthyr exclusively tied to Evokers, I can imagine Dracthyr remaining a 1 class race.
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So literally just a copy past DH PvP talent, as I mentioned. Which is a CLASS option, not a RACE option. That interview makes the distinctive point to say what the actual RACIALS are.
Like they made RACIALS separately for a reason.
Again, a Class feature, not a Race feature. It’d be OP AF on any other classes.
Read “Sylvanas” Magic, and Magical aptitude is SO INGRAINED in their people, that is essentially seen as a Birthright for all High/Blood/Void Elves. Arcane Torrent is not really a true reflection of this. Magic is something they all grow up in-grossed in, and knowing.
Mages and Monks have Fire like breath abilities too. To be fair, but just because a class doesn’t use a feature of a race, doesn’t mean they can’t do it.
Heck, as a Draenei yourself, you should be asking why you can’t do a tailsweep in your classes. Since it’s something your race can technically do naturally.
The Wing Buffett and Tail sweep are honestly enough for Racial flair in abilities in combat, for MOST people.
Our RIDABLE Dragons, will LITERALLY have armor. Along with Gladiator Drake mounts already in game. ALSO Dracthyr do have Dragon Armor-Clothes confirmed applicable in the Barber Shop.
Again, Druids are spells to be what they are, Dracthyr are a people, not a magical transformation. Not to mention Balance druids, the more humanoid forms, still use staves/polearms. Techncially.
Do you ever see Worgen using thier claws, or Draenei using their hooves in combat? No? Because these are both VERY powerful things that these races naturally have. But again, gameplay reasons change what a race uses as that class.
But they did, they said ALL races will be Mage, Priest, Rogue in 10.0, the EXACT WORDING. Followed by them looking at removing restrictions across the board for the other classes, but that some will take more work.
The only class they’ve said will not open, is the Evoker. But unlike the class, they have said Dracthyr are open to get more options when they get exposed to the Horde and Alliance.
So again, this is not something you stand a chance of winning.
There is more in the way for them getting more options, then not ever getting them expanded.
Also, where in the lore does it say a Dragon would never use a weapon, or learn a certain kind of additonal magic? Because the Blue Dragons are the protectors of all, the Blacks are tied to Earth magic, the Bronze to Arcane with time, the Green are similar to Resto Druids in their spells…so I mean…it’s not unreasonable.
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I’d argue that it’s enhancing rather than watering down lore. A race of people that all only do one thing is shallow and unrealistic.
Anyway, more customization is always a good thing.
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Sorry but I feel we move in circles here. 
Dragonkin=mortal infused with draconic abilities
Warrior before warrior after
They attack with claws if they can’t cast anymore.
Same as dragonkin human before with a certain class, trying to be human after wit said class.
They did go wild and clawed/bites in the Worgen introduction.
They wield weapons the same way an elemental shaman, a mage, a warlock wields theirs.
Caster will more or less never use their weapons. Those are just a stat stick.
But I can agree, that equipping weapons means weapon animations means swings and stuff and only a few checkmarks away from other classes.
Not sure if it was/will be explained.
But that dagger was special to hurt an old god.
I worked around that point previously.
Living beings are not all the same. Even tho Dracthyr are designed to be Evoker doesn’t mean they all are necessarily equal.
Some might have an affinity for only one DF.
Therefore trying to bolster their race with classes that utilizes that one aspect of power.
Black=warrior
Blue=mage
Green=druid/monk/shaman
red=…
You see where I’m going.
I’d say Worgen need an racial attack combo that utilizes claws and bites. Same fore draenei. But tauren already have a hoof stomp.
I think they should definitely add more classes to the Dracthyr race after Dragonflight. This new class definitely needs to stick out from the crowd at first though.
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