But in harder levels of raiding that doesn’t get done within a few hours played of hitting cap.
LOL.
Most people didn’t raid in vanilla. The percentage of players who cleared Naxxramas as current content rounds down to zero.
Those other people, the majority of players, had some other reason for being there in vanilla. It certainly wasn’t raiding.
Your claim is invalid.
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You are using Naxx as an arguement that people didn’t raid in Vanilla. Your arguement is invalid. You probably have no idea why Naxx had low participation.
Actually I know why it had low participation.
It had to do with complex attunements, gearing issues, and the extreme need for buffs and consumables. I presume these were intended to make success feel more epic. Unfortunately success came to so few they had to rethink that design strategy.
Yes but people still aspired to get to that point it drove them to get better gear and try and progress to that. (IE THEY WANTED TO RAID) nowadays there is 0 progression because of 4 different difficulties you just choose the one you want to complete and finish, there is zero reason to put effort into this because of gear reset every patch
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Actually, the main reason was that BC was announced before they released Naxx. It was only out for 5 months before BC launched. Most people chose to level up alts in preparation for BC rather than raid.
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“Better gear”. Lots of people never reached 60.
The idea that everybody has always wanted to raid is silly. There is zero feeling of progression in BfA because Ion doesn’t understand how to design a system that feels rewarding.
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Well that makes me feel special.
Oh I wouldn’t doubt that - and while participation may have increased - I also wouldn’t doubt the amount of effort that people are willing to put into the game has sharply declined. I mean, why bother doing normal or heroic for a miniscule increase in ilvl that only lasts for a few short months, when you can just bulldoze LFR and get sufficiently decked out? After all, that’s the most efficient way to play, maximize the rewards for as little time invested as possible.
Why bother staying subbed after doing this? Unsubbing until the next major content patch is the most efficient way to spend your money. Blizz has trapped themselves into this cycle where the subs drop hard and fast after xpac and content releases; never used to be the case for the first ~6 years, and it’s become so bad that they’re having to focus on things like store mounts.
I’m not entirely convinced, but at least provide servers where it’s disabled or come up with other solution for those who dislike it, if it’s here to stay.
It’s more cost effective to bring back classic instead of taking risks and trying to make the current version of the game as good as it can be, apparently. That’s the problem with all big game companies, too much to lose and so they’re unwilling to innovate or take risks.
I am playing classic. It’s been pretty amazing thus far, and I wish retail could be the same. I just logged into retail about 15 minutes ago to activate a WoW token, because there was 5 min of game time left. That’s the only reason I log into retail nowadays.
While I do love it, it’s an old game which I’d already played for 2 years and can’t stay there forever. Telling people who legitimately care about the future of the game to ‘go and linger in the past’ is just silly.
Couldn’t be more wrong. Maybe classic isn’t for you, but in the off-chance that you might have enjoy it, I feel legitimately bad that you’ve potentially missed out on the experience.
I’ve been chain-running a dungeon to help a complete stranger get a BiS drop, because I remember how difficult it was for me to get my hands on it. There’s a limit of 5 dungeons per hour, and blizz just released 8.3 on the PTR, so here I am between runs, finding myself in a thread built upon what appears to be sheer willful ignorance.
If anything, classic has just validated my opinion that Raid Finder/LFR gradually eroded the foundation of the game.
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And it isn’t rewarding because everyone us hurt given everything. It’s like a kids sports team giving everyone player of the day to be “fair”
And in BFA that number is now less than 14%.
considering people resub every patch to do the raid yes many do i never said everyone.
That doesnt mean they didnt aspire to raid
I don’t like the concept of a system that bypasses requiring socializing in a genre that by definition, was created for mass socialization.
Sue me, LFR lovers.
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But LFR isn’t raiding
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So do it, since that’s how you feel. Oh, you don’t feel that way, but you’re sure you can speak for the millions you are convinced gave up heroic raiding for LFR.
People who do LFR are not heroic raiding material. They never were.
LFR gear sucks compared with that from higher difficulties. Check it out sometime, don’t just post stuff that makes you feel good about yourself.
Yep, that’s what raiders do now. It has nothing to do with LFR.
Blizzard has given players a game with hardly any content and no progression system, and you blame LFR.
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May as well remove all raids since they aren’t helping BFA at all.
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Ouch I stubbed my toe on the coffee table. Better but off my leg
The percentage of AOTC achievements remains constant. It’s always between 5-7% when there isn’t a mount attached like the moose. So LFR is seeing huge drops in participation, while the other difficulties aren’t, but everyone here is saying “LFR is fine.” It’s obviously not fine.
lmfao.
Gonna go find a less circle jerk-esque thread to post in now. Have fun.
Tell that to Gamefreak, man. After 20 years its about time they change up the formula of Pokemon games but they refuse to take any risks. But anyway, it took Blizzard a long time to come around on the Classic thing but it’s arguably paying off for them so far. As far as retail, are you saying you want them to take a risk by removing LFR? I haven’t been following the thread.