Don't listen to the anti LFR people. They just want to control who raids

sure you did

if you look at the time my posts are on the forums and translate that to new Zealand time (gmt+12) then you will see I have been awake at odd hours. This thread I jave been in since about 4am my time and it is now ten to 8 am.

I can’t remember if raider io has the exact times keys are done too buy you can have a look at them too if it does. All sorts of crazy hours

That didn’t go as planned for you did it

(lol now he doesn’t reply)

I suppose the quality of your experience in LFR is subjective, but the quality of the content certainly isn’t.

I can respect that you likely value your gun-related hobby more than wow though and that’s perfectly fine.

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Yes. Anyone with access to a server - a subscriber - can enter and see the raid, which is what your initial premise was against; you questioned why players who can’t perform mechanics deserve to see a raid:

So, again: every subscriber deserves to enter and see a raid, but every subscriber does not deserve to complete a raid. That depends on their skillset and the level of the raid they’re attempting.

And yes, there are boss wipes in LFR.

oh no…I agree with you wholeheartedly if youre saying that the content is currentlly garbage.
I really liked Legion. I cant stand BFA. That Azerite gear crap ruined it for me pronto.
if they pull this AP grind again, Im out.

I know you were probably trying to be snarky and take my statement out of the context it was intended for, but I agree with all of this.

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mmmm nope. Meant every word of it. You sounded like you were saying the content quality of the game isnt currently up to par.

If there was some hidden context beyond that, I missed it.
Was that last line supposed to be a jab at my gun hobby? Maybe thats where I went wrong.

No jabs at you or your hobby, more of a jab at the quality of LFR, but it certainly applies to BFA and the Azerite grind as well.

I see. I apparently read your post wrong.
I understand the hate for LFR, but factually those who hate it, like I hate pet battles, arent generally forced to play it.
although, if blizzard does what they did with heroic dungeons in legion with those essence runs, yeah, I can see why people would be even more rabid about feeling forced into content they dont like.
but then, thats how I feel when Im told I have to partake of rep grinds to get something as petty and stupid as flight, so I guess we all have our pet peeves about something in here.

I think if they removed or changed titanforging so that LFR gear drops don’t TF up to a normal or close to heroic gear ilvls, people would be happier. I think it just all comes down to the gear progression. To me, that’s all that’s wrong with it. Make people who want to raid, get worse gear, and those who go heroic or push mythic, a lot stronger. And, it’s less social. But, still, TFing an item is very rare. Just… still…

Where the funds go is irrelevant. What you as the player are buying is access to have the ability to play wow.

LFR can’t be failed. Wipes? Yes then you get a 5% buff every wipe to ensure eventual success.

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People just don’t like leaving that dice un-rolled. Can LFR get you loot? Yes. Will LFR drop that loot? Most likely NO.

Do not make your urges to roll that dice everyone else’s problem. Learn to resist it and go grind your Mythic plus’s.

The thing most anti-LFR folks don’t understand is that it doesn’t “drag people down” who would otherwise be doing higher-difficulty raids. It’s mostly full of people who would not raid at all otherwise.

It’s simply elitism. As one saying goes, being rich is meaningless if you can’t see other people being poor. Raids feel less valuable to elitists if “lesser” people can do them too, even if at lower difficulties for lower rewards.

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There is a nonzero number of people who would instead desire to make the push into normals and while you could slander my argument into removing every difficulty except for one (which other have done on this thread), the main difference that’s unique to the gap between LFR and normal is that typically you don’t have “LFR raiding guilds”, not to be confused with “Social guild that does lfr”.

What this means is that with the removal of LFR, there are players who would look to join a normal level raiding guild instead. One of the common complaints in the community is how difficult it is to recruit raiders and LFR contributes to that difficulty, even if you, yourself, are a player would
sooner quit than raid normal or above.

Claiming that every proponent to LFR’s removal is based on toxicity and elitism is just dishonest.

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No they’ll just cry about some other aspect of LFR. I’m still waiting to see a H geared toon that’s just done lfr and WQ.

People wanting AOTC for heroic and normal on day one is a better system /s

That’s basically how I feel about them. They want to go back to the “good old days” when they could play dictator and decide who does and doesn’t get to see the end game content. Now that everyone has options ,they are finding it difficult to get a group together. To them I say "CLASSIC IS WAITING FOR YOU " and carry on.

So many people say this but I was TERRIBLE at WoW back in the “good ol days” and I had no problem finding groups for dungeons and raids. If I couldn’t find a group, I would make a group. I feel like people who say they were victims of gatekeeping didn’t even try to join/make groups.

How does Blizzard justify time and money spent on raids; I wonder.