Don't listen to the anti LFR people. They just want to control who raids

My point was that lfr was invented to get more people into the raid content to make it worth them creating the assets for raids. (cars on roads)
Since then a better system has come along which is the lfg tool. (Flying cars)
Why do we still need the old system when we have a better one now?

What is stopping you from doing Mythic or pushing M+ keys?

Is LFR somehow in your way?

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“better” is subjective.
I tried the LFG tool and hated it. Went right back to random groups for dungeons and raids.
I sat longer waiting for a group to form
upwards of two hours at times
than the 20 minutes waiting for a random group.
My game time to me means more to me than someone AFKing in LFR does.

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Personally don’t care about LFR, I don’t use it. I used to be very much against it, but overtime
 I realized I actually don’t care. It’s not content for me, and I’m fine with others using it to see the raid. The only time I start having an issue with such content is when it provides rewards lucrative enough to warrant me using it as part of my own characters progress. The last time this was the case for LFR was SoO with the obscenely powerful trinkets. Trinkets so powerful that the only upgrade over them was the same trinket of a higher ilvl.

That’s when I have a problem with that content. When it incentivizes someone like me to go play it. I don’t want to be there
 You don’t want me to be there
 Don’t make the next step in my characters progression to go there.

Fortunately, as I said above, this hasn’t been the case since SoO. So I return to my original point
 I used to really dislike LFR, but nowadays
 I don’t really care about its existence. It’s not for me anyway and I can simply choose to not partake.

Because the LFG tool is not the end all be all “Fix” to everything, and LFR is still better for those who just want to casually go beat up big bads, and not have to worry about being judged by others. Or for them to simply get through the dungeon to unlock things that are locked behind raids.

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Why thank you! We are actually finding out the gender today after work

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/cheer

:smiley: Grats!

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If it takes you two hours to get in a group you are doing it wrong.
I played oce horde (horde and ally are the other way around down here with no horde guilds having CE yet etc) and ot doesn’t take more than 20 mins to make a group

The fee also pays for development. It grants access to the servers, but it also funds the development of future content. Therefore we are actively paying for Blizzard to develop things.

tell that to others Ive sat with waiting for two hours in multiple occasions and then been told by other players it took them about as long.
I prefer queues, so ‘better’
again, is subjective.

Quantity over quality I suppose?

Looks like it.

How about this idea?
If you don’t like LFR, then drop it and go back to the classic - only one raid level.

Then you can work on your classic matching armor set so that you can feel good about your looks, since mogs will be taken away.

Give me a break. The game has improved since then and options don’t hurt you.

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Sure.

So any of gaiazhels friends there is no reason queuing should take as long for you as you claim. Try re listing the group to put yourself closer to the top some times. It helps a lot you know.

There you go

play on a low pop realm or at odd hours and say that with a straight face.

The thing is though, you’re paying for the ability to play, from that point on they have total discretion to do with it what they please.

People get this sense of entitlement that because they pay the sub fee and that fee goes towards development that they get to make the decisions.

I hope we get the TBC lfg finding version or a realm wide lfg it was a handy tool but I agree making it server wide caused alot of issues and most realm for classic dont need it but do need a server based lfg tool

When I dont personally like something
LFG, for example
I just go do what I do like to do
LFR for example.
‘quality’ is also subjective.
I know people who like $300 guns with plastic frames.
I refuse to spend less than $750 on a gun and refuse to have a frame made of anything but metal.
those $300 guns shoot just as long and hard and well as my $750 one does. Just ask any glock owner how it fares against my Berettas.
“quality” is subjective.

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On the last 12 months I have for a variety of reasons been awake at literally every hour of the day playing on oce horde.
So I have already done that

Or
sign up for LFR and take 20 minutes to get in.
And thats what we’re likely to do next time we want to run a raid.

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