I’ve said "it’s over, just end it’ in BG’s when its become clear that my team was not in position to win. Not sure that making that a bannable offence is the right way to proceed.
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Not really, you might forcibly extend a game by a few minutes but it wont change behaviour. The Marks per hour just get adjusted.
Pretty soon your forcing 20 minute games, 30 minute games, hour games.
Not that i would mind longer game if the honour reward were worth the effort put in - for both sides- but you’re looking to slap a punitive solution on a problem that calls for a different approach to Marks and Honour.
Why do you need two forms of currency to buy gear? You don’t. The only purpose behind marks is to create demand for each of the bg’s. But that’s an unfounded fear that no one would queue up for a certain bg.
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And I’ve seen people do that before the gates open and the moment people see a opportunity to fill chat with demoralization.
I would actually suggest that this would be grounds to report. And if the investigation shows that there was an attempt to lose before the gates opened and before the actual point in time when these words were dropped in chat…that is most definitely non-participation, griefing and an attempt to win-trade. That would be 3 broken rules.
If the investigation just shows that they had a bad day, then the report wouldn’t result in a ban.
It sucks that common sense has to be re-iterated in this abstract injected reality, but that’s the world we live in now. People don’t play the game, people play the concepts of the game.
I was thinking along the same lines in regards to Marks and Arena.
You might be right about opportunistic behavior but game designers can lower the incentive. Non-participation isn’t as big of a problem in Hearthstone, Overwatch, or Warcraft III.
Sir. Your pettiness is showing.
So what…demoralizing people isnt a bannable offence if it were there would be hundreds of people banned in raids every day
Report what? what if someone think susing a different strat is a sure fire way to lose, others disagree and the team strategy is split and you lose anyways would be grounds for your ‘investigation’…
You’re trying to make people play the way you want them to play and banning them if they dont
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Went from sub 10 minute queues on horde to 17-20 minute queues because of the massive amount of alliance players banned. Surely a warning could’ve been placed before they completely ruined the faction balance that took us 5 phases to iron out.
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You want a full on investigation for every single report? In order to determine if “they just had a bad day” they’d actually need to have a conversation with the person.
So you want to waste GM time with nonsense.
Should we also ban everyone who does the /afk meme before a BG or everyone who pops lust in the AV tunnel? Can I report warlocks for not giving me a healthstone or mages for not giving me food? I mean, they’re not utilizing their class to the fullest and therefore griefing the team. That’s clearly sabotage! 
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Not directly. It indirectly invites people to an AFK premade though. But the act of demoralization is usually from indirect…from salt from a bad day usually.
like 3-2 AB? Drek or Kek? Happens all the time. That’s just people having losing strategies, not losing as a goal. That’s different.
that’s your crafted strawman that doesn’t exist. You want it to exist but it doesn’t exist.
- That’s not what that means.
- “Crafted strawman” is redundant.
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Crafting a strawman implies you are creating an argument from scratch that exists to be defeated. It’s not redundant, its the same exact thing as referring to a strawman argument.
It’s dumb when people don’t look for solutions, they look for arguments even if they are wrong, they just want to argue. What a waste of time.
There’s a very big difference. If i look at a team before the launch and say “This teams sucks just get it over with it” that’s only an opinion, not a direction. There’s is in fact no way i can direct or order anyone to lose
Again so what. If i think we should just get it over with ( my projection of a loss in a Bg based upon the gear on scanned toons) then that is again just an opinion, no one is forced to follow or eve like my opinion.
Not even remotely bannable
But anyone using your logic could call for an investigation for anyone else expressing an opinion that could be seen as ‘demoralizing’.
I think the point is that we see the flaw in your proposal and you dont like that, therefore you refer to strawmans that you yourself are setting up.
There’s been non-participation in hearthstone recently as instantly conceding when a game starts counted as “playing a game” for quest completion became popular. But HS devs weren’t afraid to make tweaks to address the issue.
I’ve got a feeling nothing will change though with tbc. If bg quality suffers even with afk reporting, by the time they realize that tweaks are needed, WotLK will be right around the corner.
If you say this…then proceed to lose on purpose via non-participation, idling or AFK. This is bannable. (It’s also a self-fulfilling prophecy)
Tell that to the win-traders I have reported and who were banned and removed from the ladder.
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You guys still rolling with this LARP… I… can’t help you any longer.
Believe what you want, you always have and you always will.
Happy gaming.
Currently the threshold is ‘non-participation’
That is a very fuzzy term, i could run around and still constantly give an opnion , or guarding a GY for the entire game and still be giving an opinion that the Strat chosen
Hence your new rules are completely pointless since i am…
A.) Participating (Guarding a GY)
B.) Not AFK
c.) Not idling since i am in the game and watching progress
D.) Keep telling people to change strat and once i see its pointless i can say ‘just end it’
All youre new rules for punishing players for not playing the way you want them to play just got made moot
I know what a strawman is. The term, when used that way, means to build an argument that’s easily defeated. You’re essentially saying “your crafted argument that you built.”
What’s dumb is trying to fix a hangnail by cutting off your thumb. Most of your suggestions are borderline trolling.
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honestly itd be nice if they just removed their marks / honor from bgs that they didnt participate in. then ban if they continue to do it. horde queues are already horrible, removing the few ally that ARE queueing bgs is only going to make it worse.
the non participation is ban worthy, but too many bans and itll create another problem.