In the sense of this argument it doesn’t matter her what you’re rating accomplishments is.
What I’m saying is wrath was the 1st time Everyone got to have fun with every single speck that they could use
And burning Mercedes things were improved yes but still classes had a lot of problem We’re seeing that right now in tvc
It’s not such a big shift as you think OK we go from Rogues and Warriors to being overpowered to warlocks and hunters congratulations yea.
And no I’m not talking about 1% of the game obviously Here’s you know I don’t know dungeons Is leveling where it’s actually fun to level and it doesn’t Feel like you’re bashing your head up against the ground.
You never have this feeling of well this is gonna take me 3 times longer because I’m killing stuff at a rate of a snail’s pace.
The most important part of any game before anything else is that it should be fun to play I don’t care how good the raids R if your neck and having fun in the class that you play.
Then the game is going to be miserable and yes there are some people that do like the heel but everyone can agree.
The classes were superior to class And yeah I’m sure you are more than accomplish rating And you have all the arrogance and bravado that you seem like to chauvelin people’s faces.
But just because you’re a better raider than me doesn’t mean that my opinion matters any less than yours.
Oh and if you don’t care what I say as much as you say then why do you keep responding?
Sure it does, because the point is that more “evolved” players like me realize that raiding isn’t the entire game.
So nobody had fun playing an Spriest or Moonkin or Subtlety Rogue before WotLK?
LOL, here you go again with the idiotic “nothing exists outside of raids” mindset, and I’ll never understand why some of the least talented raiders allow themselves to be influenced by “the meta” that has nothing at all to do with their level of play.
Not only are these specs super fun to play in other game contexts, people also raid with them and have a perfectly fun time, as long as they are doing so with a guild that has sane expectations instead of “I’ve got a roster of 30 casual dads and 10 casual moms, and we need to have 20 Fury Warriors because that’s the meta LOL”
If I wanted to play wow with changes, I’d be playing retail with all the other chumps. Weird how classic wow won game of the year but shadowlands didn’t huh.
Would I like classes to be a bit more balanced so everyone has a fair chance at competition? Sure. Will it happen? Most likely not. Do I trust blizzard to not mess it up harder then a McDonalds order on a saturday night dinner rush? Nope.
You can change classes without hammering class design. Most meme specs just need some improvements to be able to sustain dps in longer fights. Noone wants huge class revamps, noone is asking for spriest or boomkins to top the meters, they just want to be able to last in a fight so they can be considered viable for a raid spot.
I think some small tweaks to allow for the meme specs to atleast be apart of a raid would make raiding much funner and beneficial for the top dps classes because they’ll get a few extra buffs so they can pump harder too.
I feel like the only people who don’t want small tweaks to meme specs are the same crowd who want to keep WBs. We ran that version of classic, it was nothing like original vanilla so holding onto this nochanges ideology isn’t beneficial for the players enjoyment or longevity of the game, just the sweaties who want to main fury warrior without anyone threatening their top dps spot.
In theory I wouldn’t mind some class balancing, but in practice I think it’s probably a bad idea.
It’s like TBC. They give all paladins SoB then immediately thereafter people are using this change as justification for their crusades for dual spec, LFR, mythics, etc
Imagine if they gave boomkins or shadow priests better sustain. All of a sudden you have mage tears, PvP tears, troll tears, just an ocean of salty tears
It’s because deeeeeeeeep down inside they are insecure and worried if other specs are even a little viable people won’t want their super hardcore sweaty bums in their raids because no one wants them.
I agree to some degree, but the outrage of the community if things like LFR are implemented will be enough to keep blizzard from doing this. I know actiblizz is dumb but they’re not that dumb.
There will be tears either way but they’ve said classic era realms will remain untouched. So I think a but of tweaking in SOM shouldn’t affect the sweaties who want to continue world buffing and playing the same class and spec that they’ve played for 15 years in the same game.
And mages/fury warriors/rogues will likely still be topping the meters even with a few tweaks to memes sustain so hopefully they won’t cry too much. I guess the only thing that would be hard to balance is the pvp, but I don’t think that would be necessarily bad to shake things up for the PvP community a bit either.
I don’t think people realize the way that SoM is currently setup will result in even heavier meta-stacking – warriors, rogues will dominate. Off-specs will definitely not be in any raids, especially later phases.
I also don’t think people realize removing the debuff limit does almost nothing to solve the lack of world buffs. The meta is the meta because it’s the most efficient, simple as that. People have already run through countless iterations of different specs, not only on pservers, but on Classic as well. Warlocks will not be dominate just because they can blow a GCD on Siphon Life, for example.
Balancing some of the classes would be nice, that’s for sure.
The issue is less they don’t realise, it is the fact they don’t care, they want as little changes to certain things as possible and unfortunately the lesser specs is one of them, they would rather leave those specs in the muck then let blizzard make any attempt because fixing them would “make it too much like retail and destroy the soul of classic”
I kind of find it humorous that you point out a shadow priest Is a subtlety rogue and secondly I didn’t say the Is the entire game is rating.
If you notice you know I did mention leveling I’m is leveling I mentioned Is dungeons as well that’s part of the game a big part.
What I’m saying is if you I don’t know do you want to raid which is a big part of a lot of people
You should have The Choice to say All 3 of my specs are usable without the feeling of well it’s about the feeling of well I want to do this but I know I can’t get in unless I have to do this.
If I’m a paladin I know I am going to have so much more of a harder time gain a roll as a tank or ADP S because Warriors are so much better than me Just because they’re a different class and the same thing with a boomkin.
You have this mindset it seems that just because you believe you did more rating content than me assumingly.
Is that you know more about the game that you can speak for everybody else a for everybody else the fact is.
Classes were finished in wrath And if you do the research which by the way I did overall classes were most balanced in Is wrath of the litchking overall.
And has never been more balanced since All the problems that all the classes have are solved.
Is no more oomkin resto Does good healing Because hot stack This paladins get a form of aoui healing not much but they do get a form of it.
The list goes on What I’m saying is classes are classes are simply funner to play in wrath.
And for the record fun is subjective most rogues that I talk to because for the record I did play back then either a or combat.
Is some were assassination until they His subtlety was very rare But then again we Is really bad at the game back then.
It is a valid concern but I think we saw through the first run of classic that some changes are needed. Mage boosting/dungeon spam, raid logging for world buffs and not being able to find groups/raids without being a meta spec were not fun aspects of classic.
The vast majority seem happy with the removal of world buffs and mage boost being addressed. I agree that asking blizz for huge changes is risky, but some meme specs being buffed to atleast compete aren’t going to change the feel of the game.
But I mean again that’s the reason I’m seeing wath classes right because here’s a thing Is the amount of help that some specs need some classes need Is it would probably be easier for blizzard just a copy and paste wrath classes.
Then literally go through all the work they would have to do to do that you know
I personally wouldn’t mind seeing some small tweaks to some of the really underperforming specs (boomies, spriests, non healing pallies, and enh) but I hope they would take it slowly and not overcorrect.
But I’m also concerned that it could rapidly snowball out of control
Yeah man I do agree, I would like to see some changes to the underperforming specs but if they don’t touch classes it would probably be the safest option.
I personally am willing to roll the dice and hope that they make some good changes without adversely affecting the game Just because we have already been through the game with no class balancing and I think it would be enjoyable for everyone to have the option of playing the class/spec they want and not being pigeon holed.
But I do see what you’re saying and if they don’t make class changes I will still play the game.