You are asking questions to the devs that already know the answers.
Pretty much every single meme spec in TBC was given a mana buff passive or a talent reducing mana cost.
In Classic, warlocks can tap and mages have gems, mage armor and evocation. Any other caster goes oom and is a meme spec. This isn’t very complex to understand.
I mean… sure it’d be great if we could balance the classes. But I think most people realize it’s probably too difficult to seriously attempt. It’s subjective, finicky, and would take far too many resources to design, test, re-test and implement. Plus, even if Blizzard did spend a ton of effort on this, we might just end up with something worse.
Basically - it’s effort vs reward. It’s more economical to go after the low hanging fruit. WB, Mage Boosting and Raid Difficulty are much easier to fix.
Plus, part of the charm of classic is accepting that classes don’t really have to be equal. We all have roles… we all excel at different things. Frost mages and locks are gonna wreck warriors and rogues. Warriors and rogues are gonna destroy holy priests. Holy priests have their own benefits in dungeons and raids. I’m fine with that.
We can’t all win all the time. Does it really have to be equal?
I mean, they have been balancing and redesigning Classes and abilities for years and years. All the discussions we have around balancing have probably be had countless times.
Some people want Classic plus, some people want Classic but. There doesn’t seem to be any consensus around what sort of changes everybody wants.
With regards to balancing, we could remove classes, and have more of a classless system. We could select any talent from any tree, and have multiple saved specs, with the ability to respec for free.
That might be interesting, but that too has been discussed and even tried.
You’re sick of it because the classes were better balanced? Ok.
So what will do you since SoM isn’t vanilla? Go stick to your dead Classic.
I want to not have mana issues as RDruid and other specs not so unviable that they aren’t played.
I mean, you guys complain about every single thing anyways.
SoM is not the game you knew 20 years ago so whatever lmao.
#YesChanges.
No - I will try this because it is closer to vanilla. Not interested in vanilla with TBC talents. If I were, I would be playing TBC.
I played vanilla and a bit of classic. The difference is the modern gamers broke classic. It looks like Blizzard saw this and is going for the low hanging fruit to make degenerate game play we didn’t really see in vanilla (dungeon leveling, bots and mage boosts ect.) less desirable and make the end game a bit closer to the original. Reshuffling /buffing talents won’t address the core problems with modern classic.
Yet you’re willing to go ahead and play SoM with the TBC like quest exp buff.
You’re killing me, Smalls.
Not a fan of the exp buffs. But, hopefully this brings the players back into the world to lvl. instead of sitting in Scarlet Monastery with a group of mages.
If you want longevity all around you better hope and pray they don’t add boosts and do something about mages. They already mentioned trying to think of way to handle mages so it’s a start. TBCC is already kinda screwed because of it. It’s hard to find low parties or stuff outside Outlands.
I’ll fix Spriests mana issues for free… Have vampiric embrace also return x% of the damage done as mana.
You’re welcome Actiblizz.
Have you thought about pvp?
The meta of warriors/rogue might actually be worse now that raids could be more difficult. Class balance might end up being a necessity. Hmm
I understand not trusting blizzard as a reason to be against it, I don’t understand the blatant hostility for people wanting everyone a fair chance at playing what they want though. Like I said before what is wrong with having a fair shot at things?
But again that’s why I’m saying wrath classes with 60 talent points
Not in classic, that is what TBC is for. Classic fresh should have classes like the were in vanilla.
Why when everybody I see is crying out for the problems to be fixed that the class has had I mean I see a lot of people saying fake’s resto.
Fix you know the problems that we all know the classes had Wrath classes does that.
And I don’t agree this is the season of mastery keyword season I think they should be pushing the line.
If people have already played classic why don’t we give classic plus a try Emphasis on plus.
If I wanted class changes I’d go play retail.
For me, class design is the NUMBER ONE reason that I’d rather play classic instead of retail.
I don’t even recognize the abominable monstrosities they’ve made out of classes, all in pursuit of perfect balance (which they have never achieved) and “improved class fantasy” (whatever that means… I feel 100x more connection to the fantasy of my Rogue on classic vs. whatever garbage they cooked up in the latest expansion) and all that garbage.
Classes in classic are sacred. Changing them is how we get to retail. No thank you.
Well first The changes that I’m suggesting aren’t in retail thank you there wrath So that statement doesn’t even make sense.
2nd of all I keep repeating As far as balance OK Class balance has never been or was better this is better than in wrath It’s the reason I keep suggesting because everybody’s done everyone feels good.
And it would be way better and what a surprise Is a rogue One of the top I’m so sorry I want the other classes to be fun to play.
Is how horrible am I Is a rat not being garbage A boom cannot going oomkin wow.
If you want to play wrath, it’s probably coming after TBC. I’m looking forward to wrath myself, but wrath classes in vanilla doesn’t make the slightest amount of sense.
In raids you mean? Because wrath class balance was ATROCIOUS in PvP. Ask any Death Knight who was a TBC s4 challenger or rival and magically became a WotLK s5 gladiator as soon as they loaded the character selection screen on wotlk.
The other classes are fun to play. I play all of them except shaman and hunter.
It’s funny because I’m without a doubt a better raider than you are, and at the same time I don’t limit myself to an “only raiding matters” view of the game, which is exactly how I diagnose your problem. Because that is the ONLY way that you might think, e.g. an Spriest isn’t “fun” to play in classic. It’s perfectly fun to play solo and dungeons, and even moreso in PvP. And guess what, you can still find a raid spot as long as you steer clear of sweaty guilds.
Realize raiding is just one small part of the game, and then you will see that classes are just fine.
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OK one yes obviously I’m talking about PVE Because here’s the thing PVP isn’t possible to balance.
If 16 years of playing this game has taught me anything it’s that But yes over all Is classes in PVE.
The top pvp was doing 18K The bottom was doing 11k Is with the exception of 3 specs that were PVP specs.
Is everyone felt good As for fun yet no they’re not palatins are not fun to play 2 out of the 3 specs you have for most classes are borderline worthless.
And with the harder raids coming in it’s gonna make that situation even worse oh congratulations Warriors are a little better now because they can use their bleed.
OK warlocks are a little bit better Is our paladins still trash DPS yep is the only thing you’re ever going to bring them therefore healing yep
Are you still going to bring one drew it for mark of the wild yep As far as a better raider than you yeah OK.
Because Is rating in classic as such a hard thing It was annoying and time consuming but but if a really being honest yeah executing that 1 out of one mechanic really difficult.
My Guild was small so we could never really get 40 people together so I pug rated a lot.
But I’ll say this As a fury arms Warrior I maintained the 20 man’s just fine so yeah.
The point I’m trying to get to is I think all the classes should be fun to play I’m sorry but Judging a mob and then going to auto attacking isn’t fun.
There’s a reason why they call that the AFK class and quite frankly the changes that they made isn’t going to increase it at all oh I can use contencrate now joy.
The meta isn’t going to change with the changes that blizzard is made if anything it’s going to get worse because with the harder fights.
You’re druids and paladins Lily are only going to be healers and nothing else and palli tanks well yeah that’s unhappy unless they overhaul so yeah.
Class balance in PVE because in PVP it’s not possible to have perfect balance Was perfect You had less than a 5% difference between the top DPS and the bottom dps.
And I did say what you didn’t read this part 60 talent points instead of 71 that’s 11 talent points were losing so we won’t be as strong.
And it would shake up the meta tremendously Because simply put we don’t know what it would be What’s it like for a rat powder that actually walked molten core and no they’re bringing me for my DPS.
And not just because I’m a mean class and that would be another thing the death of the memespects.
Is which I’m sure every single boomkin and ret palatin This would be very happy for
You’re not talking about all PvE content though, you’re talking about the 1% of PvE content that is end game raiding
And that’s why I don’t care about anything you have to say. Because you’re only looking at 1% of the game.
I’m a more accomplished raider than you ever will be, I’m just not a rat-race, gotta pad “muh parse” with meaningless damage that doesn’t affect the outcome, raidlogger.
Learn to see the forest instead of the trees, and you’ll be just fine.
And rat-race raidloggers will still stack the class that does 5% more dps and continue to pretend that nothing outside of raiding exists.
The “problem” here has no solution, except for the community to get over their unhealthy ideas that nothing exists outside of raiding, and center all conversations and all thinking around raiding by default.