Do you prefer Garrosh or Sylvanas?

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Garrosh 4 Life. I wanted to side with him but the devs wouldn’t let me. :frowning:

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He was so over the top cartoon barbarian psychopath orc-supremecist…

and I loved every moment.

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I mean, it’s always the same 5 posters who bring up Sylv or Garrosh negatively every day, prove me wrong kiddo. Calling it like I see it.

And yes, I do like both Sylvanas and Garrosh as characters, I also enjoy a lot of the other characters in warcraft as well. Each one brings something different to the narrative, whether it sucks or not is up to personal opinion.

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Garrosh was at least compelling and showed promise. His appointment as Warchief kind of made sense if you go by Thrall’s hopeful read of the guy and how he’d grow.

Sylvanas was just a bad idea right from the word go and was put in place arbitrarily due to a prophecy/suggestion we don’t understand.

Thematically, Garrosh was a better, more interesting failed Warchief. Sylvanas is just a frustrating failed Warchief.

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The Garrosh(es) from literally every timeline other than current canon, greatest Warchief who ever lived

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The writers are the bigger jerks than the characters themselves

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One of the reasons I love War Crimes is his “I regret nothing” speech.

It’s so over the top and hammy, but I have no problem imagining MoP era Garrosh saying it.

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I prefer Usha Eyegouge

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Garrosh is better. Rather, could have been better.

Like others have said, he had the building blocks to really become a good Warchief and character. He was brash, but he had other, more hardened characters to temper that brashness. If the Stonetalon Garrosh had held, we would have gotten a warchief that is tough but fair. Maybe not Thrall levels of such, but enough so that he would be a relatable person, to Horde and Alliance both.

Plus, I just love the duality it would have played at with him and his father. Where his father went down the path of ruin, Garrosh would not, knowing just where such a path would lead him. When presented with a dark and terrible power, he would turn it away in favor of his ideals, rather than partake of it.

Grom would be a villain all the way up to his death. Garrosh would have been a hero all throughout.

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Slyv so far

  1. She hasn’t stooped to non-undead need not apply like Garrosh did with Orcs.

  2. While they’ve taken her over the top this expansion Slyv at least didn’t have a schizophrenic mess stage that was Cata Garrosh.

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Sylvanas. Simply because she doesn’t alienate her allies. Garrosh threaten anyone with violence who didn’t obey him, he put the Darkspear tribe under martial law, Lor’themar tired to express how Garrosh could have warned him and the rest of the other blood elves the dangers of the land their archaeologist were digging and all Garrosh did was say “Not my problem.”, at the end of Tides of War Garrosh went as far as declare that everyone even the young and old to contribute to the Horde. And worst of all Garrosh kicked all none orcs to the curb once he got what he wanted.

So yeah I prefer Sylvanas.

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Sylvanas-- but wait… hear me out here. Garrosh was an okay character- but I couldn’t really connect with his kind of evil- it was always ridiculously pro-Orc and I didn’t even feel like I was being straight up manipulated or wronged, he just seemed like a rather brutish leader and when I played MoP, the Siege of Orgrimmar was boring- like, I could have cared less beyond the fact that the Horde was gaining a new Warchief because his idea of a true Horde was more or less just ridiculously unrealistic.

To Summarize though.
Garrosh’s motives entertaining? Eeeeeeh… subjective- more toward Orc players maybe?
Corruption of Pandaria? Interesting, creative even- check for that.
Kor’kron? Eeeeh… they really tried to draw a real life comparison to something that won’t be named here and it didn’t go over well for me- mainly because it seemed extremely forced and inorganic.

Now Sylvanas on the other hand…

Am I being manipulated by thinking I’m aiding the Horde? Check.
Does she have better fashion appeal? …Check, but only because Garrosh’s armor sucked so barely a win.
Are the Forsaken appealing ‘bad guys’? Most certainly, check. (I mean seriously, what’s not to love about sentient and delusional zombies just wanting to get revenge for being shunned for so long…)
Her story? Double check. She tried committing suicide- now before you go ‘WHA-WHA SARTHIRIA HOW IS THAT COOL?! YOU ARE A SICK PERSON, I HOPE YOU STEP ON A LEGO.’ well, number one- suicide isn’t okay in reality, but within a story I find it rather alright- they’re just pixels after all. Secondly-- it’s realistic within the bounds of psychology and true to the backstory, above all it shows that she -does- feel contrary to the belief she doesn’t (just a metric ton of misery.) and that she presumably just doesn’t care enough to let others trample over her first again (yeah, remember when i mentioned that the forsaken were shunned during their conception? add hunted and betrayed to that as well during the events of Wrath.) All in all, kept my attention longer because she’s -PURE EDGE- and the perfect antagonist and doesn’t monologue like an idiot… looks at Arthas

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But that’s the difference I see between the two, at least so far. Garrosh actively started to antagonize the other races, and alienated many of them. Sylvanas hasn’t done that at all… her opposition so far has just been due to disagreement with her tactics, specifically how they are over the top brutal and amoral. As a horde player, I don’t yet have a reason to view her as an antagonist yet, maybe that changes in a few patches.

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Garrosh because he was at least decent enough to die. Sylvanas reminds me of SC2:HotS Kerrigan, and her constant angsty BS annoyed me to no end.

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Garrosh did Theramore.

Sylvanas did Teldrassil.

I love them both!

The only good Warchief is one that takes it to the Alliance with no apologies. And we have had two of them!

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i like garrosh more as a character, but sylvanas is a 10x better warchief, considering she hasn’t attempted to ethnically cleanse the horde.

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With the killing of innocents I see her as being an antagonist (to the Alliance and thick-headed orcs.) because she fully knew it was wrong and deliberately went out of her way to do it- otherwise I’d call her an anti-hero.

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Garrosh was the better written warchief. Nothing explains why the horde’s characters didn’t turn on Sylvanas since the burning of Teldrassil.

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Disagree there, in “A Good War” she notes that it was pretty much the only option she had left. They couldn’t occupy the tree as planned, and were too far in to just back out and return to the status quo.

Never viewed it as she wanted to murder all the civilians for the evils, but that she looked at the tree as an objective that had to be secured somehow. Destroying it, while brutal, was the only way to take the nelves off the board while laser focusing the rest of the Alliance to attack her in her seat of power, where she could trap them.

She is pretty much the definition of anti-hero for the horde, but has always been an antagonist/villain for the alliance.

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In my opinion, I feel they are both threatening to fellow Horde members, but Sylvanas understands words like “subtlety” and “restraint”. (and not kicking entire races out of Orgrimmar…)

Sylvanas can threaten your life in the most honey-dipped, sultry, charming way. Even if you feel threatened by her, you almost want to thank her for it. She’s a strategist on and off the battlefield.

…Garrosh was like giving a 12 year old quintuple espresso and a monster truck.

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